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    It is. The gist is that there is a large energy difference between metallic magnesium and magnesium oxide. So if you have a ribbon of magnesium metal that is a yard long you don't have to "activate" the whole yard. You just need to heat up a 1/4 inch and get that burning. Then the burning itself supplies enough heat to keep the ribbon burning.
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    Exothermic/Endothermic is based on the overall net energy change.
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    So since more energy is released than absorbed when the whole yard-long magnesium ribbon is burnt, it is an exothermic reaction. Thank you so much, @MaxW and @Waylander!
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    It is. The gist is that there is a large energy difference between metallic magnesium and magnesium oxide. So if you have a ribbon of magnesium metal that is a yard long you don't have to "activate" the whole yard. You just need to heat up a 1/4 inch and get that burning. Then the burning itself supplies enough heat to keep the ribbon burning.
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    Exothermic/Endothermic is based on the overall net energy change.
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    So since more energy is released than absorbed when the whole yard-long magnesium ribbon is burnt, it is an exothermic reaction. Thank you so much, @MaxW and @Waylander!
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    It is. The gist is that there is a large energy difference between metallic magnesium and magnesium oxide. So if you have a ribbon of magnesium metal that is a yard long you don't have to "activate" the whole yard. You just need to heat up a 1/4 inch and get that burning. Then the burning itself supplies enough heat to keep the ribbon burning.
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    Exothermic/Endothermic is based on the overall net energy change.
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    So since more energy is released than absorbed when the whole yard-long magnesium ribbon is burnt, it is an exothermic reaction. Thank you so much, @MaxW and @Waylander!
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    It is. The gist is that there is a large energy difference between metallic magnesium and magnesium oxide. So if you have a ribbon of magnesium metal that is a yard long you don't have to "activate" the whole yard. You just need to heat up a 1/4 inch and get that burning. Then the burning itself supplies enough heat to keep the ribbon burning.
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    Exothermic/Endothermic is based on the overall net energy change.
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    So since more energy is released than absorbed when the whole yard-long magnesium ribbon is burnt, it is an exothermic reaction. Thank you so much, @MaxW and @Waylander!
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It is. The gist is that there is a large energy difference between metallic magnesium and magnesium oxide. So if you have a ribbon of magnesium metal that is a yard long you don't have to "activate" the whole yard. You just need to heat up a 1/4 inch and get that burning. Then the burning itself supplies enough heat to keep the ribbon burning.
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It is. The gist is that there is a large energy difference between metallic magnesium and magnesium oxide. So if you have a ribbon of magnesium metal that is a yard long you don't have to "activate" the whole yard. You just need to heat up a 1/4 inch and get that burning. Then the burning itself supplies enough heat to keep the ribbon burning.
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Exothermic/Endothermic is based on the overall net energy change.
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So since more energy is released than absorbed when the whole yard-long magnesium ribbon is burnt, it is an exothermic reaction. Thank you so much, @MaxW and @Waylander!
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So since more energy is released than absorbed when the whole yard-long magnesium ribbon is burnt, it is an exothermic reaction. Thank you so much, @MaxW and @Waylander!
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Why isn't the energy that is used to overcome the activation energy of magnesium metal atoms to react with oxygen, not taken into account?




Typically, the activation energy is much higher than the difference in energy between reactants and products. The activation energy gets used when you go from reactants to activated complex, and more or less becomes available again when you go from activated complex to product. As Waylander stated in the comments, exo- or endothermic is based on the difference in energy between reactants and products, not the size of the activation energy (otherwise, all reactions would be endothermic).




If magnesium reacts with oxygen to produce magnesium oxide only on the application of heat, then why isn't it categorised as an endothermic reaction?




Just because you are heating something to get it to react does not mean there is a net flow of heat from the surrounding into the reaction. It would be more accurate to say that you are increasing the temperature to allow the reaction to proceed.




[from the comments]: You just need to heat up a 1/4 inch and get that burning. Then the burning itself supplies enough heat to keep the ribbon burning.




Again, this is about the temperature, not about exothermic or endothermic. There are multiple reasons why a reaction would happen at high temperatures but not at low temperatures:




  • Change in equilibrium constant: For example, water vapor forms dew at lower temperature, and dew evaporates again at higher temperature. The activation energy is sufficiently low that evaporation and condensation take place at either temperature, but the net direction changes.

  • Reaction rates: Some reactions have a high activation energy and are too slow at low temperature, so you have to raise the temperature to observe them. This does not mean they are endothermic (check out the thermite reaction).

  • Allowing the reactants to come together: Magnesium is covered in a layer of magnesium oxide, preventing oxygen in air to react with the magnesium. At higher temperature, magnesium metal melts and comes in contact with air.

  • A slow step in a multi-step chain reaction: In radical reactions, the initial formation of a radical has the highest activation energy, whereas reaction of a radical with other reactants to form another radical (chain propagation) has a lower activation energy. In this case, the first step would require higher temperature (like a spark) or a catalyst (radical starter) and then the chain reaction can proceed at low temperature.


For all but the first, it does not matter whether the reaction is endothermic or exothermic - higher temperature helps or is required to observe a reaction. You can have a endothermic reaction even at lower temperatures. The heat transfer can happen even under low temperature conditions because the molecules have thermal energy nonetheless.



Using day-to-day language, that sounds weird because we associate heat with temperatures higher than body temperature, so we might doubt that there is heat in cold water. However, reactions that cool down the water even more demonstrate that the water can transfer heat to these processes (e.g. cold water can melt ice).






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    The reaction of magnesium with oxygen gives off a lot of heat, but it is difficult to get the reaction started. The surface of magnesium metal is coated with a thin adherent film of oxide/hydroxide, and this prevents continuous reaction. Also, the bulk of the metal conducts heat away; fine powder or ribbon reacts much more easily - may even be pyrophoric! Essentially, the reaction stifles itself, until the metal gets so hot that the film becomes less protective. Perhaps because of different thermal expansion coefficients or dehydration of hydroxide.



    Many metals appear to be similarly inert to oxygen unless heat or a catalyst is present. Iron reacts with oxygen slowly, but water increases the rate of corrosion, and chloride ion increases the rate of reaction even more.






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      Why isn't the energy that is used to overcome the activation energy of magnesium metal atoms to react with oxygen, not taken into account?




      Typically, the activation energy is much higher than the difference in energy between reactants and products. The activation energy gets used when you go from reactants to activated complex, and more or less becomes available again when you go from activated complex to product. As Waylander stated in the comments, exo- or endothermic is based on the difference in energy between reactants and products, not the size of the activation energy (otherwise, all reactions would be endothermic).




      If magnesium reacts with oxygen to produce magnesium oxide only on the application of heat, then why isn't it categorised as an endothermic reaction?




      Just because you are heating something to get it to react does not mean there is a net flow of heat from the surrounding into the reaction. It would be more accurate to say that you are increasing the temperature to allow the reaction to proceed.




      [from the comments]: You just need to heat up a 1/4 inch and get that burning. Then the burning itself supplies enough heat to keep the ribbon burning.




      Again, this is about the temperature, not about exothermic or endothermic. There are multiple reasons why a reaction would happen at high temperatures but not at low temperatures:




      • Change in equilibrium constant: For example, water vapor forms dew at lower temperature, and dew evaporates again at higher temperature. The activation energy is sufficiently low that evaporation and condensation take place at either temperature, but the net direction changes.

      • Reaction rates: Some reactions have a high activation energy and are too slow at low temperature, so you have to raise the temperature to observe them. This does not mean they are endothermic (check out the thermite reaction).

      • Allowing the reactants to come together: Magnesium is covered in a layer of magnesium oxide, preventing oxygen in air to react with the magnesium. At higher temperature, magnesium metal melts and comes in contact with air.

      • A slow step in a multi-step chain reaction: In radical reactions, the initial formation of a radical has the highest activation energy, whereas reaction of a radical with other reactants to form another radical (chain propagation) has a lower activation energy. In this case, the first step would require higher temperature (like a spark) or a catalyst (radical starter) and then the chain reaction can proceed at low temperature.


      For all but the first, it does not matter whether the reaction is endothermic or exothermic - higher temperature helps or is required to observe a reaction. You can have a endothermic reaction even at lower temperatures. The heat transfer can happen even under low temperature conditions because the molecules have thermal energy nonetheless.



      Using day-to-day language, that sounds weird because we associate heat with temperatures higher than body temperature, so we might doubt that there is heat in cold water. However, reactions that cool down the water even more demonstrate that the water can transfer heat to these processes (e.g. cold water can melt ice).






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        Why isn't the energy that is used to overcome the activation energy of magnesium metal atoms to react with oxygen, not taken into account?




        Typically, the activation energy is much higher than the difference in energy between reactants and products. The activation energy gets used when you go from reactants to activated complex, and more or less becomes available again when you go from activated complex to product. As Waylander stated in the comments, exo- or endothermic is based on the difference in energy between reactants and products, not the size of the activation energy (otherwise, all reactions would be endothermic).




        If magnesium reacts with oxygen to produce magnesium oxide only on the application of heat, then why isn't it categorised as an endothermic reaction?




        Just because you are heating something to get it to react does not mean there is a net flow of heat from the surrounding into the reaction. It would be more accurate to say that you are increasing the temperature to allow the reaction to proceed.




        [from the comments]: You just need to heat up a 1/4 inch and get that burning. Then the burning itself supplies enough heat to keep the ribbon burning.




        Again, this is about the temperature, not about exothermic or endothermic. There are multiple reasons why a reaction would happen at high temperatures but not at low temperatures:




        • Change in equilibrium constant: For example, water vapor forms dew at lower temperature, and dew evaporates again at higher temperature. The activation energy is sufficiently low that evaporation and condensation take place at either temperature, but the net direction changes.

        • Reaction rates: Some reactions have a high activation energy and are too slow at low temperature, so you have to raise the temperature to observe them. This does not mean they are endothermic (check out the thermite reaction).

        • Allowing the reactants to come together: Magnesium is covered in a layer of magnesium oxide, preventing oxygen in air to react with the magnesium. At higher temperature, magnesium metal melts and comes in contact with air.

        • A slow step in a multi-step chain reaction: In radical reactions, the initial formation of a radical has the highest activation energy, whereas reaction of a radical with other reactants to form another radical (chain propagation) has a lower activation energy. In this case, the first step would require higher temperature (like a spark) or a catalyst (radical starter) and then the chain reaction can proceed at low temperature.


        For all but the first, it does not matter whether the reaction is endothermic or exothermic - higher temperature helps or is required to observe a reaction. You can have a endothermic reaction even at lower temperatures. The heat transfer can happen even under low temperature conditions because the molecules have thermal energy nonetheless.



        Using day-to-day language, that sounds weird because we associate heat with temperatures higher than body temperature, so we might doubt that there is heat in cold water. However, reactions that cool down the water even more demonstrate that the water can transfer heat to these processes (e.g. cold water can melt ice).






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          Why isn't the energy that is used to overcome the activation energy of magnesium metal atoms to react with oxygen, not taken into account?




          Typically, the activation energy is much higher than the difference in energy between reactants and products. The activation energy gets used when you go from reactants to activated complex, and more or less becomes available again when you go from activated complex to product. As Waylander stated in the comments, exo- or endothermic is based on the difference in energy between reactants and products, not the size of the activation energy (otherwise, all reactions would be endothermic).




          If magnesium reacts with oxygen to produce magnesium oxide only on the application of heat, then why isn't it categorised as an endothermic reaction?




          Just because you are heating something to get it to react does not mean there is a net flow of heat from the surrounding into the reaction. It would be more accurate to say that you are increasing the temperature to allow the reaction to proceed.




          [from the comments]: You just need to heat up a 1/4 inch and get that burning. Then the burning itself supplies enough heat to keep the ribbon burning.




          Again, this is about the temperature, not about exothermic or endothermic. There are multiple reasons why a reaction would happen at high temperatures but not at low temperatures:




          • Change in equilibrium constant: For example, water vapor forms dew at lower temperature, and dew evaporates again at higher temperature. The activation energy is sufficiently low that evaporation and condensation take place at either temperature, but the net direction changes.

          • Reaction rates: Some reactions have a high activation energy and are too slow at low temperature, so you have to raise the temperature to observe them. This does not mean they are endothermic (check out the thermite reaction).

          • Allowing the reactants to come together: Magnesium is covered in a layer of magnesium oxide, preventing oxygen in air to react with the magnesium. At higher temperature, magnesium metal melts and comes in contact with air.

          • A slow step in a multi-step chain reaction: In radical reactions, the initial formation of a radical has the highest activation energy, whereas reaction of a radical with other reactants to form another radical (chain propagation) has a lower activation energy. In this case, the first step would require higher temperature (like a spark) or a catalyst (radical starter) and then the chain reaction can proceed at low temperature.


          For all but the first, it does not matter whether the reaction is endothermic or exothermic - higher temperature helps or is required to observe a reaction. You can have a endothermic reaction even at lower temperatures. The heat transfer can happen even under low temperature conditions because the molecules have thermal energy nonetheless.



          Using day-to-day language, that sounds weird because we associate heat with temperatures higher than body temperature, so we might doubt that there is heat in cold water. However, reactions that cool down the water even more demonstrate that the water can transfer heat to these processes (e.g. cold water can melt ice).






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          Why isn't the energy that is used to overcome the activation energy of magnesium metal atoms to react with oxygen, not taken into account?




          Typically, the activation energy is much higher than the difference in energy between reactants and products. The activation energy gets used when you go from reactants to activated complex, and more or less becomes available again when you go from activated complex to product. As Waylander stated in the comments, exo- or endothermic is based on the difference in energy between reactants and products, not the size of the activation energy (otherwise, all reactions would be endothermic).




          If magnesium reacts with oxygen to produce magnesium oxide only on the application of heat, then why isn't it categorised as an endothermic reaction?




          Just because you are heating something to get it to react does not mean there is a net flow of heat from the surrounding into the reaction. It would be more accurate to say that you are increasing the temperature to allow the reaction to proceed.




          [from the comments]: You just need to heat up a 1/4 inch and get that burning. Then the burning itself supplies enough heat to keep the ribbon burning.




          Again, this is about the temperature, not about exothermic or endothermic. There are multiple reasons why a reaction would happen at high temperatures but not at low temperatures:




          • Change in equilibrium constant: For example, water vapor forms dew at lower temperature, and dew evaporates again at higher temperature. The activation energy is sufficiently low that evaporation and condensation take place at either temperature, but the net direction changes.

          • Reaction rates: Some reactions have a high activation energy and are too slow at low temperature, so you have to raise the temperature to observe them. This does not mean they are endothermic (check out the thermite reaction).

          • Allowing the reactants to come together: Magnesium is covered in a layer of magnesium oxide, preventing oxygen in air to react with the magnesium. At higher temperature, magnesium metal melts and comes in contact with air.

          • A slow step in a multi-step chain reaction: In radical reactions, the initial formation of a radical has the highest activation energy, whereas reaction of a radical with other reactants to form another radical (chain propagation) has a lower activation energy. In this case, the first step would require higher temperature (like a spark) or a catalyst (radical starter) and then the chain reaction can proceed at low temperature.


          For all but the first, it does not matter whether the reaction is endothermic or exothermic - higher temperature helps or is required to observe a reaction. You can have a endothermic reaction even at lower temperatures. The heat transfer can happen even under low temperature conditions because the molecules have thermal energy nonetheless.



          Using day-to-day language, that sounds weird because we associate heat with temperatures higher than body temperature, so we might doubt that there is heat in cold water. However, reactions that cool down the water even more demonstrate that the water can transfer heat to these processes (e.g. cold water can melt ice).







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              The reaction of magnesium with oxygen gives off a lot of heat, but it is difficult to get the reaction started. The surface of magnesium metal is coated with a thin adherent film of oxide/hydroxide, and this prevents continuous reaction. Also, the bulk of the metal conducts heat away; fine powder or ribbon reacts much more easily - may even be pyrophoric! Essentially, the reaction stifles itself, until the metal gets so hot that the film becomes less protective. Perhaps because of different thermal expansion coefficients or dehydration of hydroxide.



              Many metals appear to be similarly inert to oxygen unless heat or a catalyst is present. Iron reacts with oxygen slowly, but water increases the rate of corrosion, and chloride ion increases the rate of reaction even more.






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                The reaction of magnesium with oxygen gives off a lot of heat, but it is difficult to get the reaction started. The surface of magnesium metal is coated with a thin adherent film of oxide/hydroxide, and this prevents continuous reaction. Also, the bulk of the metal conducts heat away; fine powder or ribbon reacts much more easily - may even be pyrophoric! Essentially, the reaction stifles itself, until the metal gets so hot that the film becomes less protective. Perhaps because of different thermal expansion coefficients or dehydration of hydroxide.



                Many metals appear to be similarly inert to oxygen unless heat or a catalyst is present. Iron reacts with oxygen slowly, but water increases the rate of corrosion, and chloride ion increases the rate of reaction even more.






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                  The reaction of magnesium with oxygen gives off a lot of heat, but it is difficult to get the reaction started. The surface of magnesium metal is coated with a thin adherent film of oxide/hydroxide, and this prevents continuous reaction. Also, the bulk of the metal conducts heat away; fine powder or ribbon reacts much more easily - may even be pyrophoric! Essentially, the reaction stifles itself, until the metal gets so hot that the film becomes less protective. Perhaps because of different thermal expansion coefficients or dehydration of hydroxide.



                  Many metals appear to be similarly inert to oxygen unless heat or a catalyst is present. Iron reacts with oxygen slowly, but water increases the rate of corrosion, and chloride ion increases the rate of reaction even more.






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                  The reaction of magnesium with oxygen gives off a lot of heat, but it is difficult to get the reaction started. The surface of magnesium metal is coated with a thin adherent film of oxide/hydroxide, and this prevents continuous reaction. Also, the bulk of the metal conducts heat away; fine powder or ribbon reacts much more easily - may even be pyrophoric! Essentially, the reaction stifles itself, until the metal gets so hot that the film becomes less protective. Perhaps because of different thermal expansion coefficients or dehydration of hydroxide.



                  Many metals appear to be similarly inert to oxygen unless heat or a catalyst is present. Iron reacts with oxygen slowly, but water increases the rate of corrosion, and chloride ion increases the rate of reaction even more.







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