Can you stand up from being prone using Skirmisher outside of your turn?





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Using the Rogue Scout's Skirmisher feature, which states:




You can move up to half your speed as a reaction when an enemy ends its turn within 5 feet of you.




Additionally:




Being Prone, PHB pg 190/191



Standing up takes more effort; doing so costs an amount of movement
equal to half your speed. For example, if your speed is 30 feet, you
must spend 15 feet of movement to stand up.




And on a relevant topic, Does standing up from prone trigger the damage from Booming Blade?. General Consensus: No.



Can I spend this movement to stand up from being prone?



The concern here is that, while standing up from being Prone costs movement, is the movement still valid, considering that standing up from Prone is not considered "movement" for the sake of other effects that rely on actual movement/distance (like Booming Blade)?










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    Using the Rogue Scout's Skirmisher feature, which states:




    You can move up to half your speed as a reaction when an enemy ends its turn within 5 feet of you.




    Additionally:




    Being Prone, PHB pg 190/191



    Standing up takes more effort; doing so costs an amount of movement
    equal to half your speed. For example, if your speed is 30 feet, you
    must spend 15 feet of movement to stand up.




    And on a relevant topic, Does standing up from prone trigger the damage from Booming Blade?. General Consensus: No.



    Can I spend this movement to stand up from being prone?



    The concern here is that, while standing up from being Prone costs movement, is the movement still valid, considering that standing up from Prone is not considered "movement" for the sake of other effects that rely on actual movement/distance (like Booming Blade)?










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      Using the Rogue Scout's Skirmisher feature, which states:




      You can move up to half your speed as a reaction when an enemy ends its turn within 5 feet of you.




      Additionally:




      Being Prone, PHB pg 190/191



      Standing up takes more effort; doing so costs an amount of movement
      equal to half your speed. For example, if your speed is 30 feet, you
      must spend 15 feet of movement to stand up.




      And on a relevant topic, Does standing up from prone trigger the damage from Booming Blade?. General Consensus: No.



      Can I spend this movement to stand up from being prone?



      The concern here is that, while standing up from being Prone costs movement, is the movement still valid, considering that standing up from Prone is not considered "movement" for the sake of other effects that rely on actual movement/distance (like Booming Blade)?










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      Using the Rogue Scout's Skirmisher feature, which states:




      You can move up to half your speed as a reaction when an enemy ends its turn within 5 feet of you.




      Additionally:




      Being Prone, PHB pg 190/191



      Standing up takes more effort; doing so costs an amount of movement
      equal to half your speed. For example, if your speed is 30 feet, you
      must spend 15 feet of movement to stand up.




      And on a relevant topic, Does standing up from prone trigger the damage from Booming Blade?. General Consensus: No.



      Can I spend this movement to stand up from being prone?



      The concern here is that, while standing up from being Prone costs movement, is the movement still valid, considering that standing up from Prone is not considered "movement" for the sake of other effects that rely on actual movement/distance (like Booming Blade)?







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          Yes



          As you mentioned, to stand up:




          [you spend] an amount of movement equal to half your speed.




          The rules for prone movement (including standing up) are listed under Movement and Position in the Player's Handbook, right between moving through Difficult Terrain and Moving Around Other Creatures. In my interpretation, I see no reason to disqualify standing up from being a type of movement.



          For the Rogue's Skirmisher feature, since you can move up to half your speed, you can simply spend the whole of that movement allocation to stand up.






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            Arguably, the rogue may stand up



            The character is not literally "granted" a resource that is called movement but that is in fact the way the rules of movement talk about how it is used:




            However you're moving, you deduct the distance of each part of your move from your speed until it is used up or until you are done moving.




            So, in practice, movement is a resource that may be "deducted from" or "spent" and which can have "cost" penalties. Additionally, the Normal and Skirmisher movements are granted/refreshed using the same terminology:




            Normal movement rule: On your turn, you can move a distance up to your speed.



            Skirmisher movement rule: You can move up to half your speed as a reaction




            So if the two types of movement are obtained/granted using the same "you can move" phrasing and movement is talked about as a resource that can be spent independently of whatever physical space may be traversed (e.g. over difficult terrain), it stands to reason that the movement associated with the Skirmisher feat may be spent to stand up from being prone the same way a character can with normal movement.



            The selected answer for the related question about Booming Blade makes this same point. It is possible to use the movement resource for something other than directly moving (To wit, one "spends" 10 movement to move 5 physical feet through difficult terrain) and it is because of this difference that Booming Blade does not trigger in response to standing up.



            In short, if you subscribe to this interpretation, where the phrase "you can move" is functionally identical to "you are granted movement," then standing up is permitted in this situation.






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              No



              The Skirmisher feature says:




              You can move up to half your speed as a reaction ...




              Standing up is not moving per the rules' definition, you just have to spend movement to do it.




              Standing up takes more effort; doing so costs an amount of movement equal to half your speed.




              Since standing up is not moving, then you cannot use the Skirmisher ability to do so.






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                You may want to add that crawling is a movement option available to prone characters
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                Standing up is a valid usage of movement. Why would you be restricted to not using it to stand?
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                @Chrygore it's a usage of movement but it is not moving. The feature only allows you to move with it by my reading.
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                @Rubiksmoose The rules for prone movement (including standing up) are listed under Movement and Position in the Player's Handbook, right between moving through Difficult Terrain and Moving Around Other Creatures. In my interpretation, I see no reason to disqualify standing up from being a type of movement.
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                @Chrygore which is why you have your answer and I have mine :-) we shouldn't argue in the comments of competing answers. If you have more convincing evidence for your answer, edit it in!
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              Yes



              As you mentioned, to stand up:




              [you spend] an amount of movement equal to half your speed.




              The rules for prone movement (including standing up) are listed under Movement and Position in the Player's Handbook, right between moving through Difficult Terrain and Moving Around Other Creatures. In my interpretation, I see no reason to disqualify standing up from being a type of movement.



              For the Rogue's Skirmisher feature, since you can move up to half your speed, you can simply spend the whole of that movement allocation to stand up.






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                Yes



                As you mentioned, to stand up:




                [you spend] an amount of movement equal to half your speed.




                The rules for prone movement (including standing up) are listed under Movement and Position in the Player's Handbook, right between moving through Difficult Terrain and Moving Around Other Creatures. In my interpretation, I see no reason to disqualify standing up from being a type of movement.



                For the Rogue's Skirmisher feature, since you can move up to half your speed, you can simply spend the whole of that movement allocation to stand up.






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                  Yes



                  As you mentioned, to stand up:




                  [you spend] an amount of movement equal to half your speed.




                  The rules for prone movement (including standing up) are listed under Movement and Position in the Player's Handbook, right between moving through Difficult Terrain and Moving Around Other Creatures. In my interpretation, I see no reason to disqualify standing up from being a type of movement.



                  For the Rogue's Skirmisher feature, since you can move up to half your speed, you can simply spend the whole of that movement allocation to stand up.






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                  Yes



                  As you mentioned, to stand up:




                  [you spend] an amount of movement equal to half your speed.




                  The rules for prone movement (including standing up) are listed under Movement and Position in the Player's Handbook, right between moving through Difficult Terrain and Moving Around Other Creatures. In my interpretation, I see no reason to disqualify standing up from being a type of movement.



                  For the Rogue's Skirmisher feature, since you can move up to half your speed, you can simply spend the whole of that movement allocation to stand up.







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                      Arguably, the rogue may stand up



                      The character is not literally "granted" a resource that is called movement but that is in fact the way the rules of movement talk about how it is used:




                      However you're moving, you deduct the distance of each part of your move from your speed until it is used up or until you are done moving.




                      So, in practice, movement is a resource that may be "deducted from" or "spent" and which can have "cost" penalties. Additionally, the Normal and Skirmisher movements are granted/refreshed using the same terminology:




                      Normal movement rule: On your turn, you can move a distance up to your speed.



                      Skirmisher movement rule: You can move up to half your speed as a reaction




                      So if the two types of movement are obtained/granted using the same "you can move" phrasing and movement is talked about as a resource that can be spent independently of whatever physical space may be traversed (e.g. over difficult terrain), it stands to reason that the movement associated with the Skirmisher feat may be spent to stand up from being prone the same way a character can with normal movement.



                      The selected answer for the related question about Booming Blade makes this same point. It is possible to use the movement resource for something other than directly moving (To wit, one "spends" 10 movement to move 5 physical feet through difficult terrain) and it is because of this difference that Booming Blade does not trigger in response to standing up.



                      In short, if you subscribe to this interpretation, where the phrase "you can move" is functionally identical to "you are granted movement," then standing up is permitted in this situation.






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                        Arguably, the rogue may stand up



                        The character is not literally "granted" a resource that is called movement but that is in fact the way the rules of movement talk about how it is used:




                        However you're moving, you deduct the distance of each part of your move from your speed until it is used up or until you are done moving.




                        So, in practice, movement is a resource that may be "deducted from" or "spent" and which can have "cost" penalties. Additionally, the Normal and Skirmisher movements are granted/refreshed using the same terminology:




                        Normal movement rule: On your turn, you can move a distance up to your speed.



                        Skirmisher movement rule: You can move up to half your speed as a reaction




                        So if the two types of movement are obtained/granted using the same "you can move" phrasing and movement is talked about as a resource that can be spent independently of whatever physical space may be traversed (e.g. over difficult terrain), it stands to reason that the movement associated with the Skirmisher feat may be spent to stand up from being prone the same way a character can with normal movement.



                        The selected answer for the related question about Booming Blade makes this same point. It is possible to use the movement resource for something other than directly moving (To wit, one "spends" 10 movement to move 5 physical feet through difficult terrain) and it is because of this difference that Booming Blade does not trigger in response to standing up.



                        In short, if you subscribe to this interpretation, where the phrase "you can move" is functionally identical to "you are granted movement," then standing up is permitted in this situation.






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                          Arguably, the rogue may stand up



                          The character is not literally "granted" a resource that is called movement but that is in fact the way the rules of movement talk about how it is used:




                          However you're moving, you deduct the distance of each part of your move from your speed until it is used up or until you are done moving.




                          So, in practice, movement is a resource that may be "deducted from" or "spent" and which can have "cost" penalties. Additionally, the Normal and Skirmisher movements are granted/refreshed using the same terminology:




                          Normal movement rule: On your turn, you can move a distance up to your speed.



                          Skirmisher movement rule: You can move up to half your speed as a reaction




                          So if the two types of movement are obtained/granted using the same "you can move" phrasing and movement is talked about as a resource that can be spent independently of whatever physical space may be traversed (e.g. over difficult terrain), it stands to reason that the movement associated with the Skirmisher feat may be spent to stand up from being prone the same way a character can with normal movement.



                          The selected answer for the related question about Booming Blade makes this same point. It is possible to use the movement resource for something other than directly moving (To wit, one "spends" 10 movement to move 5 physical feet through difficult terrain) and it is because of this difference that Booming Blade does not trigger in response to standing up.



                          In short, if you subscribe to this interpretation, where the phrase "you can move" is functionally identical to "you are granted movement," then standing up is permitted in this situation.






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                          Arguably, the rogue may stand up



                          The character is not literally "granted" a resource that is called movement but that is in fact the way the rules of movement talk about how it is used:




                          However you're moving, you deduct the distance of each part of your move from your speed until it is used up or until you are done moving.




                          So, in practice, movement is a resource that may be "deducted from" or "spent" and which can have "cost" penalties. Additionally, the Normal and Skirmisher movements are granted/refreshed using the same terminology:




                          Normal movement rule: On your turn, you can move a distance up to your speed.



                          Skirmisher movement rule: You can move up to half your speed as a reaction




                          So if the two types of movement are obtained/granted using the same "you can move" phrasing and movement is talked about as a resource that can be spent independently of whatever physical space may be traversed (e.g. over difficult terrain), it stands to reason that the movement associated with the Skirmisher feat may be spent to stand up from being prone the same way a character can with normal movement.



                          The selected answer for the related question about Booming Blade makes this same point. It is possible to use the movement resource for something other than directly moving (To wit, one "spends" 10 movement to move 5 physical feet through difficult terrain) and it is because of this difference that Booming Blade does not trigger in response to standing up.



                          In short, if you subscribe to this interpretation, where the phrase "you can move" is functionally identical to "you are granted movement," then standing up is permitted in this situation.







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                              No



                              The Skirmisher feature says:




                              You can move up to half your speed as a reaction ...




                              Standing up is not moving per the rules' definition, you just have to spend movement to do it.




                              Standing up takes more effort; doing so costs an amount of movement equal to half your speed.




                              Since standing up is not moving, then you cannot use the Skirmisher ability to do so.






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                                You may want to add that crawling is a movement option available to prone characters
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                                – David Coffron
                                59 mins ago






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                                Standing up is a valid usage of movement. Why would you be restricted to not using it to stand?
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                                – Chrygore
                                52 mins ago






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                                @Chrygore it's a usage of movement but it is not moving. The feature only allows you to move with it by my reading.
                                $endgroup$
                                – Rubiksmoose
                                50 mins ago






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                                @Rubiksmoose The rules for prone movement (including standing up) are listed under Movement and Position in the Player's Handbook, right between moving through Difficult Terrain and Moving Around Other Creatures. In my interpretation, I see no reason to disqualify standing up from being a type of movement.
                                $endgroup$
                                – Chrygore
                                43 mins ago






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                                @Chrygore which is why you have your answer and I have mine :-) we shouldn't argue in the comments of competing answers. If you have more convincing evidence for your answer, edit it in!
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                                – Rubiksmoose
                                42 mins ago


















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                              No



                              The Skirmisher feature says:




                              You can move up to half your speed as a reaction ...




                              Standing up is not moving per the rules' definition, you just have to spend movement to do it.




                              Standing up takes more effort; doing so costs an amount of movement equal to half your speed.




                              Since standing up is not moving, then you cannot use the Skirmisher ability to do so.






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                                $begingroup$
                                You may want to add that crawling is a movement option available to prone characters
                                $endgroup$
                                – David Coffron
                                59 mins ago






                              • 1




                                $begingroup$
                                Standing up is a valid usage of movement. Why would you be restricted to not using it to stand?
                                $endgroup$
                                – Chrygore
                                52 mins ago






                              • 1




                                $begingroup$
                                @Chrygore it's a usage of movement but it is not moving. The feature only allows you to move with it by my reading.
                                $endgroup$
                                – Rubiksmoose
                                50 mins ago






                              • 1




                                $begingroup$
                                @Rubiksmoose The rules for prone movement (including standing up) are listed under Movement and Position in the Player's Handbook, right between moving through Difficult Terrain and Moving Around Other Creatures. In my interpretation, I see no reason to disqualify standing up from being a type of movement.
                                $endgroup$
                                – Chrygore
                                43 mins ago






                              • 1




                                $begingroup$
                                @Chrygore which is why you have your answer and I have mine :-) we shouldn't argue in the comments of competing answers. If you have more convincing evidence for your answer, edit it in!
                                $endgroup$
                                – Rubiksmoose
                                42 mins ago
















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                              No



                              The Skirmisher feature says:




                              You can move up to half your speed as a reaction ...




                              Standing up is not moving per the rules' definition, you just have to spend movement to do it.




                              Standing up takes more effort; doing so costs an amount of movement equal to half your speed.




                              Since standing up is not moving, then you cannot use the Skirmisher ability to do so.






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                              No



                              The Skirmisher feature says:




                              You can move up to half your speed as a reaction ...




                              Standing up is not moving per the rules' definition, you just have to spend movement to do it.




                              Standing up takes more effort; doing so costs an amount of movement equal to half your speed.




                              Since standing up is not moving, then you cannot use the Skirmisher ability to do so.







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                              • 1




                                $begingroup$
                                You may want to add that crawling is a movement option available to prone characters
                                $endgroup$
                                – David Coffron
                                59 mins ago






                              • 1




                                $begingroup$
                                Standing up is a valid usage of movement. Why would you be restricted to not using it to stand?
                                $endgroup$
                                – Chrygore
                                52 mins ago






                              • 1




                                $begingroup$
                                @Chrygore it's a usage of movement but it is not moving. The feature only allows you to move with it by my reading.
                                $endgroup$
                                – Rubiksmoose
                                50 mins ago






                              • 1




                                $begingroup$
                                @Rubiksmoose The rules for prone movement (including standing up) are listed under Movement and Position in the Player's Handbook, right between moving through Difficult Terrain and Moving Around Other Creatures. In my interpretation, I see no reason to disqualify standing up from being a type of movement.
                                $endgroup$
                                – Chrygore
                                43 mins ago






                              • 1




                                $begingroup$
                                @Chrygore which is why you have your answer and I have mine :-) we shouldn't argue in the comments of competing answers. If you have more convincing evidence for your answer, edit it in!
                                $endgroup$
                                – Rubiksmoose
                                42 mins ago
















                              • 1




                                $begingroup$
                                You may want to add that crawling is a movement option available to prone characters
                                $endgroup$
                                – David Coffron
                                59 mins ago






                              • 1




                                $begingroup$
                                Standing up is a valid usage of movement. Why would you be restricted to not using it to stand?
                                $endgroup$
                                – Chrygore
                                52 mins ago






                              • 1




                                $begingroup$
                                @Chrygore it's a usage of movement but it is not moving. The feature only allows you to move with it by my reading.
                                $endgroup$
                                – Rubiksmoose
                                50 mins ago






                              • 1




                                $begingroup$
                                @Rubiksmoose The rules for prone movement (including standing up) are listed under Movement and Position in the Player's Handbook, right between moving through Difficult Terrain and Moving Around Other Creatures. In my interpretation, I see no reason to disqualify standing up from being a type of movement.
                                $endgroup$
                                – Chrygore
                                43 mins ago






                              • 1




                                $begingroup$
                                @Chrygore which is why you have your answer and I have mine :-) we shouldn't argue in the comments of competing answers. If you have more convincing evidence for your answer, edit it in!
                                $endgroup$
                                – Rubiksmoose
                                42 mins ago










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                              $begingroup$
                              You may want to add that crawling is a movement option available to prone characters
                              $endgroup$
                              – David Coffron
                              59 mins ago




                              $begingroup$
                              You may want to add that crawling is a movement option available to prone characters
                              $endgroup$
                              – David Coffron
                              59 mins ago




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                              Standing up is a valid usage of movement. Why would you be restricted to not using it to stand?
                              $endgroup$
                              – Chrygore
                              52 mins ago




                              $begingroup$
                              Standing up is a valid usage of movement. Why would you be restricted to not using it to stand?
                              $endgroup$
                              – Chrygore
                              52 mins ago




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                              @Chrygore it's a usage of movement but it is not moving. The feature only allows you to move with it by my reading.
                              $endgroup$
                              – Rubiksmoose
                              50 mins ago




                              $begingroup$
                              @Chrygore it's a usage of movement but it is not moving. The feature only allows you to move with it by my reading.
                              $endgroup$
                              – Rubiksmoose
                              50 mins ago




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                              $begingroup$
                              @Rubiksmoose The rules for prone movement (including standing up) are listed under Movement and Position in the Player's Handbook, right between moving through Difficult Terrain and Moving Around Other Creatures. In my interpretation, I see no reason to disqualify standing up from being a type of movement.
                              $endgroup$
                              – Chrygore
                              43 mins ago




                              $begingroup$
                              @Rubiksmoose The rules for prone movement (including standing up) are listed under Movement and Position in the Player's Handbook, right between moving through Difficult Terrain and Moving Around Other Creatures. In my interpretation, I see no reason to disqualify standing up from being a type of movement.
                              $endgroup$
                              – Chrygore
                              43 mins ago




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                              @Chrygore which is why you have your answer and I have mine :-) we shouldn't argue in the comments of competing answers. If you have more convincing evidence for your answer, edit it in!
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                              – Rubiksmoose
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                              @Chrygore which is why you have your answer and I have mine :-) we shouldn't argue in the comments of competing answers. If you have more convincing evidence for your answer, edit it in!
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                              – Rubiksmoose
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