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There's a hidden chamber in my recent dungeon that's blocked by a waterfall coming from the ceiling and decending on a hole in front of the chamber.
Right now, my players are cleaning the dungeon and just one of them suspects there's a hidden room behind that waterfall.



When they attempt to jump and move across it, should I give them disadvantage on the jump or take -3 points of Strength?



I think disadvantage is kind of harsh, given that the hole is small in radius and that they're able to jump across it without the liquid obstacle.



IRL the force of the waterfall would push them down the hole. How can I handle this within the rules?










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    Welcome to RPG.SE! Take the tour if you haven't already, and check out the help center for more guidance. Unfortunately, we can't tell you what you "should" do; how you choose to handle this is very opinion-based. We can help you judge whether a certain solution is balanced or unfair, but we can't really handle idea generation. Such questions might be better suited to a forum. I think this question can be edited into an appropriately focused form, though.
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    @V2Blast I'm not so sure that this is opinion-based at all. Seems like there is plenty of room to answer the question with Good Subjective answers as all answers are required to be anyways. I have tweaked the question to remove the word "should" (even though I do not think it was necessary to do so).
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    I agree with @Rubiksmoose, this isn't opinion based and is definitely something we should be able to answer. Often "should" questions are bad for the site but I think this was simply a case of poor word selection rather than a poor question.
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There's a hidden chamber in my recent dungeon that's blocked by a waterfall coming from the ceiling and decending on a hole in front of the chamber.
Right now, my players are cleaning the dungeon and just one of them suspects there's a hidden room behind that waterfall.



When they attempt to jump and move across it, should I give them disadvantage on the jump or take -3 points of Strength?



I think disadvantage is kind of harsh, given that the hole is small in radius and that they're able to jump across it without the liquid obstacle.



IRL the force of the waterfall would push them down the hole. How can I handle this within the rules?










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    Welcome to RPG.SE! Take the tour if you haven't already, and check out the help center for more guidance. Unfortunately, we can't tell you what you "should" do; how you choose to handle this is very opinion-based. We can help you judge whether a certain solution is balanced or unfair, but we can't really handle idea generation. Such questions might be better suited to a forum. I think this question can be edited into an appropriately focused form, though.
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    @V2Blast I'm not so sure that this is opinion-based at all. Seems like there is plenty of room to answer the question with Good Subjective answers as all answers are required to be anyways. I have tweaked the question to remove the word "should" (even though I do not think it was necessary to do so).
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    I agree with @Rubiksmoose, this isn't opinion based and is definitely something we should be able to answer. Often "should" questions are bad for the site but I think this was simply a case of poor word selection rather than a poor question.
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There's a hidden chamber in my recent dungeon that's blocked by a waterfall coming from the ceiling and decending on a hole in front of the chamber.
Right now, my players are cleaning the dungeon and just one of them suspects there's a hidden room behind that waterfall.



When they attempt to jump and move across it, should I give them disadvantage on the jump or take -3 points of Strength?



I think disadvantage is kind of harsh, given that the hole is small in radius and that they're able to jump across it without the liquid obstacle.



IRL the force of the waterfall would push them down the hole. How can I handle this within the rules?










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There's a hidden chamber in my recent dungeon that's blocked by a waterfall coming from the ceiling and decending on a hole in front of the chamber.
Right now, my players are cleaning the dungeon and just one of them suspects there's a hidden room behind that waterfall.



When they attempt to jump and move across it, should I give them disadvantage on the jump or take -3 points of Strength?



I think disadvantage is kind of harsh, given that the hole is small in radius and that they're able to jump across it without the liquid obstacle.



IRL the force of the waterfall would push them down the hole. How can I handle this within the rules?







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    Welcome to RPG.SE! Take the tour if you haven't already, and check out the help center for more guidance. Unfortunately, we can't tell you what you "should" do; how you choose to handle this is very opinion-based. We can help you judge whether a certain solution is balanced or unfair, but we can't really handle idea generation. Such questions might be better suited to a forum. I think this question can be edited into an appropriately focused form, though.
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    @V2Blast I'm not so sure that this is opinion-based at all. Seems like there is plenty of room to answer the question with Good Subjective answers as all answers are required to be anyways. I have tweaked the question to remove the word "should" (even though I do not think it was necessary to do so).
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    I agree with @Rubiksmoose, this isn't opinion based and is definitely something we should be able to answer. Often "should" questions are bad for the site but I think this was simply a case of poor word selection rather than a poor question.
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    Welcome to RPG.SE! Take the tour if you haven't already, and check out the help center for more guidance. Unfortunately, we can't tell you what you "should" do; how you choose to handle this is very opinion-based. We can help you judge whether a certain solution is balanced or unfair, but we can't really handle idea generation. Such questions might be better suited to a forum. I think this question can be edited into an appropriately focused form, though.
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    @V2Blast I'm not so sure that this is opinion-based at all. Seems like there is plenty of room to answer the question with Good Subjective answers as all answers are required to be anyways. I have tweaked the question to remove the word "should" (even though I do not think it was necessary to do so).
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    I agree with @Rubiksmoose, this isn't opinion based and is definitely something we should be able to answer. Often "should" questions are bad for the site but I think this was simply a case of poor word selection rather than a poor question.
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Welcome to RPG.SE! Take the tour if you haven't already, and check out the help center for more guidance. Unfortunately, we can't tell you what you "should" do; how you choose to handle this is very opinion-based. We can help you judge whether a certain solution is balanced or unfair, but we can't really handle idea generation. Such questions might be better suited to a forum. I think this question can be edited into an appropriately focused form, though.
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Welcome to RPG.SE! Take the tour if you haven't already, and check out the help center for more guidance. Unfortunately, we can't tell you what you "should" do; how you choose to handle this is very opinion-based. We can help you judge whether a certain solution is balanced or unfair, but we can't really handle idea generation. Such questions might be better suited to a forum. I think this question can be edited into an appropriately focused form, though.
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@V2Blast I'm not so sure that this is opinion-based at all. Seems like there is plenty of room to answer the question with Good Subjective answers as all answers are required to be anyways. I have tweaked the question to remove the word "should" (even though I do not think it was necessary to do so).
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@V2Blast I'm not so sure that this is opinion-based at all. Seems like there is plenty of room to answer the question with Good Subjective answers as all answers are required to be anyways. I have tweaked the question to remove the word "should" (even though I do not think it was necessary to do so).
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I agree with @Rubiksmoose, this isn't opinion based and is definitely something we should be able to answer. Often "should" questions are bad for the site but I think this was simply a case of poor word selection rather than a poor question.
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I agree with @Rubiksmoose, this isn't opinion based and is definitely something we should be able to answer. Often "should" questions are bad for the site but I think this was simply a case of poor word selection rather than a poor question.
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Change the DC



When a character makes an ability check, there is always a DC they must reach to succeed. The basic rules shows a table for different DCs, in which a DC of 5 is very easy, 10 is easy, 15 is medium, 20 is hard, 25 is very hard, and 30 is nearly impossible. Jumping is a lot harder with a waterfall spewing water on you, so you should set the DC accordingly.



Disadvantage works too



Although it is less customary, you can give them disadvantage on the jump. This is almost like changing the DC to be harder, as disadvantage decreases the average roll by 5. This is just making the jump harder in a different way.



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    Use the PHB's rules for Jumping



    I think the best way to address this is to just focus on the PHB's rules for jumping that we are already given. They do a pretty good job of addressing this situation.




    Jumping



    Your Strength determines how far you can jump.



    Long Jump. When you make a long jump you cover a number of feet up to your Strength score if you move at least 10 feet on foot immediately before the jump. When you make a standing long jump, you can leap only half that distance.




    So we have two situations, one where the character could make the jump under normal circumstances and one where they could not. You say they are able to jump across without the obstacle so I will assume their Strength score exceeds the distance to be jumped.




    This rule assumes that the height of your jump doesn't matter, such as a jump across a stream or chasm. At your DM's option, you must succeed on a DC 10 Strength (Athletics) check to clear a low obstacle [...], such as a hedge or low wall.




    We already have a rule for requiring an Athletics check when you need to clear an obstacle. I would consider pushing up against a waterfall to be equivalent to leaping over a low wall, though maybe slightly harder. Therefore a DC15 Strength (Athletics) check to make the leap is a good idea.




    When you land in difficult terrain, you must succeed on a DC 10 Dexterity (Acrobatics) check to land on your feet. Otherwise, you land prone.




    I would consider the wet rocky ground behind a waterfall to be difficult terrain, therefore the DC 10 Dexterity (Acrobatics) check to land on their feet is required. If you like, place disadvantage on this check because they can't see the surface they are landing on, I would rule this way.



    Summary



    According to the rules and your description the jump itself is fairly simple, except for the waterfall and unseen landing. Therefore I suggest the following checks:




    • DC15 Strength (Athletics) Check to make the jump


      • On a fail they fall into the water.



    • DC10 Dexterity (Acrobatics) Check at disadvantage to land the jump


      • On a fail they land prone.








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      Change the DC



      When a character makes an ability check, there is always a DC they must reach to succeed. The basic rules shows a table for different DCs, in which a DC of 5 is very easy, 10 is easy, 15 is medium, 20 is hard, 25 is very hard, and 30 is nearly impossible. Jumping is a lot harder with a waterfall spewing water on you, so you should set the DC accordingly.



      Disadvantage works too



      Although it is less customary, you can give them disadvantage on the jump. This is almost like changing the DC to be harder, as disadvantage decreases the average roll by 5. This is just making the jump harder in a different way.



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        $begingroup$

        Change the DC



        When a character makes an ability check, there is always a DC they must reach to succeed. The basic rules shows a table for different DCs, in which a DC of 5 is very easy, 10 is easy, 15 is medium, 20 is hard, 25 is very hard, and 30 is nearly impossible. Jumping is a lot harder with a waterfall spewing water on you, so you should set the DC accordingly.



        Disadvantage works too



        Although it is less customary, you can give them disadvantage on the jump. This is almost like changing the DC to be harder, as disadvantage decreases the average roll by 5. This is just making the jump harder in a different way.



        Source






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          $begingroup$

          Change the DC



          When a character makes an ability check, there is always a DC they must reach to succeed. The basic rules shows a table for different DCs, in which a DC of 5 is very easy, 10 is easy, 15 is medium, 20 is hard, 25 is very hard, and 30 is nearly impossible. Jumping is a lot harder with a waterfall spewing water on you, so you should set the DC accordingly.



          Disadvantage works too



          Although it is less customary, you can give them disadvantage on the jump. This is almost like changing the DC to be harder, as disadvantage decreases the average roll by 5. This is just making the jump harder in a different way.



          Source






          share|improve this answer









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          Change the DC



          When a character makes an ability check, there is always a DC they must reach to succeed. The basic rules shows a table for different DCs, in which a DC of 5 is very easy, 10 is easy, 15 is medium, 20 is hard, 25 is very hard, and 30 is nearly impossible. Jumping is a lot harder with a waterfall spewing water on you, so you should set the DC accordingly.



          Disadvantage works too



          Although it is less customary, you can give them disadvantage on the jump. This is almost like changing the DC to be harder, as disadvantage decreases the average roll by 5. This is just making the jump harder in a different way.



          Source







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              Use the PHB's rules for Jumping



              I think the best way to address this is to just focus on the PHB's rules for jumping that we are already given. They do a pretty good job of addressing this situation.




              Jumping



              Your Strength determines how far you can jump.



              Long Jump. When you make a long jump you cover a number of feet up to your Strength score if you move at least 10 feet on foot immediately before the jump. When you make a standing long jump, you can leap only half that distance.




              So we have two situations, one where the character could make the jump under normal circumstances and one where they could not. You say they are able to jump across without the obstacle so I will assume their Strength score exceeds the distance to be jumped.




              This rule assumes that the height of your jump doesn't matter, such as a jump across a stream or chasm. At your DM's option, you must succeed on a DC 10 Strength (Athletics) check to clear a low obstacle [...], such as a hedge or low wall.




              We already have a rule for requiring an Athletics check when you need to clear an obstacle. I would consider pushing up against a waterfall to be equivalent to leaping over a low wall, though maybe slightly harder. Therefore a DC15 Strength (Athletics) check to make the leap is a good idea.




              When you land in difficult terrain, you must succeed on a DC 10 Dexterity (Acrobatics) check to land on your feet. Otherwise, you land prone.




              I would consider the wet rocky ground behind a waterfall to be difficult terrain, therefore the DC 10 Dexterity (Acrobatics) check to land on their feet is required. If you like, place disadvantage on this check because they can't see the surface they are landing on, I would rule this way.



              Summary



              According to the rules and your description the jump itself is fairly simple, except for the waterfall and unseen landing. Therefore I suggest the following checks:




              • DC15 Strength (Athletics) Check to make the jump


                • On a fail they fall into the water.



              • DC10 Dexterity (Acrobatics) Check at disadvantage to land the jump


                • On a fail they land prone.








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                Use the PHB's rules for Jumping



                I think the best way to address this is to just focus on the PHB's rules for jumping that we are already given. They do a pretty good job of addressing this situation.




                Jumping



                Your Strength determines how far you can jump.



                Long Jump. When you make a long jump you cover a number of feet up to your Strength score if you move at least 10 feet on foot immediately before the jump. When you make a standing long jump, you can leap only half that distance.




                So we have two situations, one where the character could make the jump under normal circumstances and one where they could not. You say they are able to jump across without the obstacle so I will assume their Strength score exceeds the distance to be jumped.




                This rule assumes that the height of your jump doesn't matter, such as a jump across a stream or chasm. At your DM's option, you must succeed on a DC 10 Strength (Athletics) check to clear a low obstacle [...], such as a hedge or low wall.




                We already have a rule for requiring an Athletics check when you need to clear an obstacle. I would consider pushing up against a waterfall to be equivalent to leaping over a low wall, though maybe slightly harder. Therefore a DC15 Strength (Athletics) check to make the leap is a good idea.




                When you land in difficult terrain, you must succeed on a DC 10 Dexterity (Acrobatics) check to land on your feet. Otherwise, you land prone.




                I would consider the wet rocky ground behind a waterfall to be difficult terrain, therefore the DC 10 Dexterity (Acrobatics) check to land on their feet is required. If you like, place disadvantage on this check because they can't see the surface they are landing on, I would rule this way.



                Summary



                According to the rules and your description the jump itself is fairly simple, except for the waterfall and unseen landing. Therefore I suggest the following checks:




                • DC15 Strength (Athletics) Check to make the jump


                  • On a fail they fall into the water.



                • DC10 Dexterity (Acrobatics) Check at disadvantage to land the jump


                  • On a fail they land prone.








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                  $begingroup$

                  Use the PHB's rules for Jumping



                  I think the best way to address this is to just focus on the PHB's rules for jumping that we are already given. They do a pretty good job of addressing this situation.




                  Jumping



                  Your Strength determines how far you can jump.



                  Long Jump. When you make a long jump you cover a number of feet up to your Strength score if you move at least 10 feet on foot immediately before the jump. When you make a standing long jump, you can leap only half that distance.




                  So we have two situations, one where the character could make the jump under normal circumstances and one where they could not. You say they are able to jump across without the obstacle so I will assume their Strength score exceeds the distance to be jumped.




                  This rule assumes that the height of your jump doesn't matter, such as a jump across a stream or chasm. At your DM's option, you must succeed on a DC 10 Strength (Athletics) check to clear a low obstacle [...], such as a hedge or low wall.




                  We already have a rule for requiring an Athletics check when you need to clear an obstacle. I would consider pushing up against a waterfall to be equivalent to leaping over a low wall, though maybe slightly harder. Therefore a DC15 Strength (Athletics) check to make the leap is a good idea.




                  When you land in difficult terrain, you must succeed on a DC 10 Dexterity (Acrobatics) check to land on your feet. Otherwise, you land prone.




                  I would consider the wet rocky ground behind a waterfall to be difficult terrain, therefore the DC 10 Dexterity (Acrobatics) check to land on their feet is required. If you like, place disadvantage on this check because they can't see the surface they are landing on, I would rule this way.



                  Summary



                  According to the rules and your description the jump itself is fairly simple, except for the waterfall and unseen landing. Therefore I suggest the following checks:




                  • DC15 Strength (Athletics) Check to make the jump


                    • On a fail they fall into the water.



                  • DC10 Dexterity (Acrobatics) Check at disadvantage to land the jump


                    • On a fail they land prone.








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                  Use the PHB's rules for Jumping



                  I think the best way to address this is to just focus on the PHB's rules for jumping that we are already given. They do a pretty good job of addressing this situation.




                  Jumping



                  Your Strength determines how far you can jump.



                  Long Jump. When you make a long jump you cover a number of feet up to your Strength score if you move at least 10 feet on foot immediately before the jump. When you make a standing long jump, you can leap only half that distance.




                  So we have two situations, one where the character could make the jump under normal circumstances and one where they could not. You say they are able to jump across without the obstacle so I will assume their Strength score exceeds the distance to be jumped.




                  This rule assumes that the height of your jump doesn't matter, such as a jump across a stream or chasm. At your DM's option, you must succeed on a DC 10 Strength (Athletics) check to clear a low obstacle [...], such as a hedge or low wall.




                  We already have a rule for requiring an Athletics check when you need to clear an obstacle. I would consider pushing up against a waterfall to be equivalent to leaping over a low wall, though maybe slightly harder. Therefore a DC15 Strength (Athletics) check to make the leap is a good idea.




                  When you land in difficult terrain, you must succeed on a DC 10 Dexterity (Acrobatics) check to land on your feet. Otherwise, you land prone.




                  I would consider the wet rocky ground behind a waterfall to be difficult terrain, therefore the DC 10 Dexterity (Acrobatics) check to land on their feet is required. If you like, place disadvantage on this check because they can't see the surface they are landing on, I would rule this way.



                  Summary



                  According to the rules and your description the jump itself is fairly simple, except for the waterfall and unseen landing. Therefore I suggest the following checks:




                  • DC15 Strength (Athletics) Check to make the jump


                    • On a fail they fall into the water.



                  • DC10 Dexterity (Acrobatics) Check at disadvantage to land the jump


                    • On a fail they land prone.









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