What to do when moving next to a bird sanctuary with a loosely-domesticated cat?
I'm about to move and a really promising location in a new city and it's surrounded by a large forest and bird sanctuary. That's great to me, but to my cat I suspect it will mean the beginning of his reign as a genocidal maniac against the local birds. On the one hand, regardless of where I move it seems this cat will be a bane on wildlife. On the other hand, given that this is a bird sanctuary, it feels particularly wrong to move there with this cat and just let it do its thing.
TL;DR skipping details on bottom: 3 year old Cat is very active and violent, otherwise a good cat to us humans. Never able to keep a collar or even harnesses on him. We rescued him off the streets and he's only semi-domesticated, keeping him indoors seems like barely an option.
With all that in mind, what can we do regarding this move and this cat to minimize disturbance to the bird sanctuary? Is it a no go, either we don't move there or we give away the cat? Is there any training or equipment we can use to minimize him disturbing the bird sanctuary? We could try to force him to be an indoor cat but I don't think he'll handle that well, it seems very against his nature. We could just let him do his thing, but we care a lot about the forest and know that cats can wreak havoc on its wildlife.
Some background on the cat: my partner and I met this cat as it meowed from under a porch as we were discussing getting a cat, an idea that we'd been considering for a few weeks. It was mid-February in a northern climate and very cold and snowy. We meowed at the cat for a bit and pretty fast he came and met us. We inspected the cat, picking him up and checking his fur and body out. He was pretty clean, no fleas we could see, seemed to be in good health. His paws and teeth indicated that this cat had been leaving outdoors for at least a few months, and he was mature but <1 year old from what the vet said.
We've had this cat for a few years now. He was a real terror at first in terms of violence; he was mostly playful and not that aggressive but he was strong and intense in playing, would attack our feet and attack us at night if he had the chance. Over time and being neutered he's gotten better in some ways but is still an aggressive, big and tough cat. He used to go outside and disappear for days at a time when we first got him, but he'd keep coming back, even after we moved with him to new rentals locally a few times. Now he'll only go out for a few hours or a day at most, but he still begs to go out, tries to sneak out, and will even start attacking us more often if we refuse to let him out for a few days.
This cat in some ways good and maybe even trainable - extremely food motivated, will walk on a leash, never had any problems using a litter box, minimal scratching of furniture. At the same time, he can be a monster, half-killing chipmunks and leaving dead mice at our door regularly. We've tried collars and even two harnesses and he escaped all of them within days, though we do have him RFID chipped (unless he got rid of that too!)
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I'm about to move and a really promising location in a new city and it's surrounded by a large forest and bird sanctuary. That's great to me, but to my cat I suspect it will mean the beginning of his reign as a genocidal maniac against the local birds. On the one hand, regardless of where I move it seems this cat will be a bane on wildlife. On the other hand, given that this is a bird sanctuary, it feels particularly wrong to move there with this cat and just let it do its thing.
TL;DR skipping details on bottom: 3 year old Cat is very active and violent, otherwise a good cat to us humans. Never able to keep a collar or even harnesses on him. We rescued him off the streets and he's only semi-domesticated, keeping him indoors seems like barely an option.
With all that in mind, what can we do regarding this move and this cat to minimize disturbance to the bird sanctuary? Is it a no go, either we don't move there or we give away the cat? Is there any training or equipment we can use to minimize him disturbing the bird sanctuary? We could try to force him to be an indoor cat but I don't think he'll handle that well, it seems very against his nature. We could just let him do his thing, but we care a lot about the forest and know that cats can wreak havoc on its wildlife.
Some background on the cat: my partner and I met this cat as it meowed from under a porch as we were discussing getting a cat, an idea that we'd been considering for a few weeks. It was mid-February in a northern climate and very cold and snowy. We meowed at the cat for a bit and pretty fast he came and met us. We inspected the cat, picking him up and checking his fur and body out. He was pretty clean, no fleas we could see, seemed to be in good health. His paws and teeth indicated that this cat had been leaving outdoors for at least a few months, and he was mature but <1 year old from what the vet said.
We've had this cat for a few years now. He was a real terror at first in terms of violence; he was mostly playful and not that aggressive but he was strong and intense in playing, would attack our feet and attack us at night if he had the chance. Over time and being neutered he's gotten better in some ways but is still an aggressive, big and tough cat. He used to go outside and disappear for days at a time when we first got him, but he'd keep coming back, even after we moved with him to new rentals locally a few times. Now he'll only go out for a few hours or a day at most, but he still begs to go out, tries to sneak out, and will even start attacking us more often if we refuse to let him out for a few days.
This cat in some ways good and maybe even trainable - extremely food motivated, will walk on a leash, never had any problems using a litter box, minimal scratching of furniture. At the same time, he can be a monster, half-killing chipmunks and leaving dead mice at our door regularly. We've tried collars and even two harnesses and he escaped all of them within days, though we do have him RFID chipped (unless he got rid of that too!)
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as long as one can see your cat hunting birds. it's ok. The problem starts when few of them are left LOL. I think your background story is really cool. I guess he's a very cute and lovely cat. good luck
– Hani Gotc
yesterday
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energetic young cat that hunts as cats do =/= feral cat. A feral cat is a legitimately wild animal, and can no more be picked up or handled than a bobcat, lynx, etc. Your cat's just being a prey-driven young male cat with loose boundaries, he's not feral or "semi-feral" at all.
– Allison C
yesterday
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Make sure that you have lots of toys and high places in your house for your cat to play with and climb on. This will be especially important if you decide to make him an indoors-only cat.
– Kevin
yesterday
Have you seen that cat's behavior around birds? I have heard that male cats are rarely interested in hunting, and indeed, when I lived in a house with a male and female cat with lots of birdlife, it was always the female who brought dead birds to the doorstep.
– rumtscho
18 hours ago
@rumtscho yes, I've seen 2 sparrows he's brought home dead int eh past, he does cat chattering when watching birds out the window, and I saw him try to climb into a bush to catch a bird once which he probably would've succeeded had I not chased him away. That said, the 2 birds he brought home is in comparison with dozens of mammals (mice, chipmunks, bats) he's killed or maimed, so birds haven't been his main target so far. We also live in a somewhat urban place now, and I don't know how he'll react to living in a forested rural place.
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15 hours ago
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I'm about to move and a really promising location in a new city and it's surrounded by a large forest and bird sanctuary. That's great to me, but to my cat I suspect it will mean the beginning of his reign as a genocidal maniac against the local birds. On the one hand, regardless of where I move it seems this cat will be a bane on wildlife. On the other hand, given that this is a bird sanctuary, it feels particularly wrong to move there with this cat and just let it do its thing.
TL;DR skipping details on bottom: 3 year old Cat is very active and violent, otherwise a good cat to us humans. Never able to keep a collar or even harnesses on him. We rescued him off the streets and he's only semi-domesticated, keeping him indoors seems like barely an option.
With all that in mind, what can we do regarding this move and this cat to minimize disturbance to the bird sanctuary? Is it a no go, either we don't move there or we give away the cat? Is there any training or equipment we can use to minimize him disturbing the bird sanctuary? We could try to force him to be an indoor cat but I don't think he'll handle that well, it seems very against his nature. We could just let him do his thing, but we care a lot about the forest and know that cats can wreak havoc on its wildlife.
Some background on the cat: my partner and I met this cat as it meowed from under a porch as we were discussing getting a cat, an idea that we'd been considering for a few weeks. It was mid-February in a northern climate and very cold and snowy. We meowed at the cat for a bit and pretty fast he came and met us. We inspected the cat, picking him up and checking his fur and body out. He was pretty clean, no fleas we could see, seemed to be in good health. His paws and teeth indicated that this cat had been leaving outdoors for at least a few months, and he was mature but <1 year old from what the vet said.
We've had this cat for a few years now. He was a real terror at first in terms of violence; he was mostly playful and not that aggressive but he was strong and intense in playing, would attack our feet and attack us at night if he had the chance. Over time and being neutered he's gotten better in some ways but is still an aggressive, big and tough cat. He used to go outside and disappear for days at a time when we first got him, but he'd keep coming back, even after we moved with him to new rentals locally a few times. Now he'll only go out for a few hours or a day at most, but he still begs to go out, tries to sneak out, and will even start attacking us more often if we refuse to let him out for a few days.
This cat in some ways good and maybe even trainable - extremely food motivated, will walk on a leash, never had any problems using a litter box, minimal scratching of furniture. At the same time, he can be a monster, half-killing chipmunks and leaving dead mice at our door regularly. We've tried collars and even two harnesses and he escaped all of them within days, though we do have him RFID chipped (unless he got rid of that too!)
cats aggression birds domestication
I'm about to move and a really promising location in a new city and it's surrounded by a large forest and bird sanctuary. That's great to me, but to my cat I suspect it will mean the beginning of his reign as a genocidal maniac against the local birds. On the one hand, regardless of where I move it seems this cat will be a bane on wildlife. On the other hand, given that this is a bird sanctuary, it feels particularly wrong to move there with this cat and just let it do its thing.
TL;DR skipping details on bottom: 3 year old Cat is very active and violent, otherwise a good cat to us humans. Never able to keep a collar or even harnesses on him. We rescued him off the streets and he's only semi-domesticated, keeping him indoors seems like barely an option.
With all that in mind, what can we do regarding this move and this cat to minimize disturbance to the bird sanctuary? Is it a no go, either we don't move there or we give away the cat? Is there any training or equipment we can use to minimize him disturbing the bird sanctuary? We could try to force him to be an indoor cat but I don't think he'll handle that well, it seems very against his nature. We could just let him do his thing, but we care a lot about the forest and know that cats can wreak havoc on its wildlife.
Some background on the cat: my partner and I met this cat as it meowed from under a porch as we were discussing getting a cat, an idea that we'd been considering for a few weeks. It was mid-February in a northern climate and very cold and snowy. We meowed at the cat for a bit and pretty fast he came and met us. We inspected the cat, picking him up and checking his fur and body out. He was pretty clean, no fleas we could see, seemed to be in good health. His paws and teeth indicated that this cat had been leaving outdoors for at least a few months, and he was mature but <1 year old from what the vet said.
We've had this cat for a few years now. He was a real terror at first in terms of violence; he was mostly playful and not that aggressive but he was strong and intense in playing, would attack our feet and attack us at night if he had the chance. Over time and being neutered he's gotten better in some ways but is still an aggressive, big and tough cat. He used to go outside and disappear for days at a time when we first got him, but he'd keep coming back, even after we moved with him to new rentals locally a few times. Now he'll only go out for a few hours or a day at most, but he still begs to go out, tries to sneak out, and will even start attacking us more often if we refuse to let him out for a few days.
This cat in some ways good and maybe even trainable - extremely food motivated, will walk on a leash, never had any problems using a litter box, minimal scratching of furniture. At the same time, he can be a monster, half-killing chipmunks and leaving dead mice at our door regularly. We've tried collars and even two harnesses and he escaped all of them within days, though we do have him RFID chipped (unless he got rid of that too!)
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as long as one can see your cat hunting birds. it's ok. The problem starts when few of them are left LOL. I think your background story is really cool. I guess he's a very cute and lovely cat. good luck
– Hani Gotc
yesterday
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energetic young cat that hunts as cats do =/= feral cat. A feral cat is a legitimately wild animal, and can no more be picked up or handled than a bobcat, lynx, etc. Your cat's just being a prey-driven young male cat with loose boundaries, he's not feral or "semi-feral" at all.
– Allison C
yesterday
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Make sure that you have lots of toys and high places in your house for your cat to play with and climb on. This will be especially important if you decide to make him an indoors-only cat.
– Kevin
yesterday
Have you seen that cat's behavior around birds? I have heard that male cats are rarely interested in hunting, and indeed, when I lived in a house with a male and female cat with lots of birdlife, it was always the female who brought dead birds to the doorstep.
– rumtscho
18 hours ago
@rumtscho yes, I've seen 2 sparrows he's brought home dead int eh past, he does cat chattering when watching birds out the window, and I saw him try to climb into a bush to catch a bird once which he probably would've succeeded had I not chased him away. That said, the 2 birds he brought home is in comparison with dozens of mammals (mice, chipmunks, bats) he's killed or maimed, so birds haven't been his main target so far. We also live in a somewhat urban place now, and I don't know how he'll react to living in a forested rural place.
– cr0
15 hours ago
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as long as one can see your cat hunting birds. it's ok. The problem starts when few of them are left LOL. I think your background story is really cool. I guess he's a very cute and lovely cat. good luck
– Hani Gotc
yesterday
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energetic young cat that hunts as cats do =/= feral cat. A feral cat is a legitimately wild animal, and can no more be picked up or handled than a bobcat, lynx, etc. Your cat's just being a prey-driven young male cat with loose boundaries, he's not feral or "semi-feral" at all.
– Allison C
yesterday
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Make sure that you have lots of toys and high places in your house for your cat to play with and climb on. This will be especially important if you decide to make him an indoors-only cat.
– Kevin
yesterday
Have you seen that cat's behavior around birds? I have heard that male cats are rarely interested in hunting, and indeed, when I lived in a house with a male and female cat with lots of birdlife, it was always the female who brought dead birds to the doorstep.
– rumtscho
18 hours ago
@rumtscho yes, I've seen 2 sparrows he's brought home dead int eh past, he does cat chattering when watching birds out the window, and I saw him try to climb into a bush to catch a bird once which he probably would've succeeded had I not chased him away. That said, the 2 birds he brought home is in comparison with dozens of mammals (mice, chipmunks, bats) he's killed or maimed, so birds haven't been his main target so far. We also live in a somewhat urban place now, and I don't know how he'll react to living in a forested rural place.
– cr0
15 hours ago
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as long as one can see your cat hunting birds. it's ok. The problem starts when few of them are left LOL. I think your background story is really cool. I guess he's a very cute and lovely cat. good luck
– Hani Gotc
yesterday
as long as one can see your cat hunting birds. it's ok. The problem starts when few of them are left LOL. I think your background story is really cool. I guess he's a very cute and lovely cat. good luck
– Hani Gotc
yesterday
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energetic young cat that hunts as cats do =/= feral cat. A feral cat is a legitimately wild animal, and can no more be picked up or handled than a bobcat, lynx, etc. Your cat's just being a prey-driven young male cat with loose boundaries, he's not feral or "semi-feral" at all.
– Allison C
yesterday
energetic young cat that hunts as cats do =/= feral cat. A feral cat is a legitimately wild animal, and can no more be picked up or handled than a bobcat, lynx, etc. Your cat's just being a prey-driven young male cat with loose boundaries, he's not feral or "semi-feral" at all.
– Allison C
yesterday
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Make sure that you have lots of toys and high places in your house for your cat to play with and climb on. This will be especially important if you decide to make him an indoors-only cat.
– Kevin
yesterday
Make sure that you have lots of toys and high places in your house for your cat to play with and climb on. This will be especially important if you decide to make him an indoors-only cat.
– Kevin
yesterday
Have you seen that cat's behavior around birds? I have heard that male cats are rarely interested in hunting, and indeed, when I lived in a house with a male and female cat with lots of birdlife, it was always the female who brought dead birds to the doorstep.
– rumtscho
18 hours ago
Have you seen that cat's behavior around birds? I have heard that male cats are rarely interested in hunting, and indeed, when I lived in a house with a male and female cat with lots of birdlife, it was always the female who brought dead birds to the doorstep.
– rumtscho
18 hours ago
@rumtscho yes, I've seen 2 sparrows he's brought home dead int eh past, he does cat chattering when watching birds out the window, and I saw him try to climb into a bush to catch a bird once which he probably would've succeeded had I not chased him away. That said, the 2 birds he brought home is in comparison with dozens of mammals (mice, chipmunks, bats) he's killed or maimed, so birds haven't been his main target so far. We also live in a somewhat urban place now, and I don't know how he'll react to living in a forested rural place.
– cr0
15 hours ago
@rumtscho yes, I've seen 2 sparrows he's brought home dead int eh past, he does cat chattering when watching birds out the window, and I saw him try to climb into a bush to catch a bird once which he probably would've succeeded had I not chased him away. That said, the 2 birds he brought home is in comparison with dozens of mammals (mice, chipmunks, bats) he's killed or maimed, so birds haven't been his main target so far. We also live in a somewhat urban place now, and I don't know how he'll react to living in a forested rural place.
– cr0
15 hours ago
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Whatever your general opinions on free-roaming cats may be, allowing your cat to hunt in a bird sanctuary definitely sounds like a highly irresponsible thing to do.
If you'd rather not lock your cat entirely indoors, one option to consider would be to build a secure outdoor enclosure for your cat. Unlike Allison C, I wouldn't rely on just a fence, no matter how "cat-proofed", because cats are really, really good at finding ways over, under or through fences.
What does work though, in my experience, is simply surrounding a suitable space on all sides with a durable net or wire mesh, and making sure there are no holes large enough for a cat to get through. The details will vary depending on what your new house or apartment is like, but it could be as simple as surrounding a balcony / terrace / patio / veranda or any similar "semi-outdoor" area with cat-proof net or mesh.
For a practical example, here's one of my parents' cats watching the local wildlife from behind a temporary net set up to close off their new ground floor apartment's patio:
and here are both of them in winter (one braving the cold outside, one safe and warm inside behind the window), showing the final (semi-)permanent enclosure we built out of chicken wire:
The new structure extends a few meters into the back yard, so that there's room for a small garden inside, including some vines to climb and partly cover the wire fence (not yet visible in these photos). It consists of just a few wooden posts and beams that attach to the existing partition walls between the neighboring patios and support a chicken wire fence between them, with the old nylon net now serving as a roof over it (because cats can climb, you know) and the chicken wire extending some distance underground (because they can dig too — not that either of these two have ever tried).
We even built a simple lockable gate (half visible on the right side of the second photo) into the fence so that we can still get to the outside (not that there's much there, except some trees and neighbors' back yards) without having to walk around the whole building.
The important thing to remember (for your peace of mind, and the safety of any birds living nearby) is that cats can squeeze their head through surprisingly small holes if they're sufficiently motivated, e.g. by tasty birds waiting just outside — and if the head gets through, the rest of the cat will most likely follow. (For evidence, see e.g. any of these YouTube videos.) But there are limits, and something like a 1 inch / 2.5 cm mesh size is definitely too small for any adult cat to possibly get through. Meanwhile, it's still large enough that any small birds or rodents that may unwisely enter the enclosure can also easily get out.
Ps. I wrote most of this answer before noticing the How to let an indoor cat have some outdoors time safely? thread, which also has some pictures of outdoor cat enclosures. I figured I'd post this anyway, because it's still a valid answer and shows a somewhat different style of enclosure.
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The best situation for any domestic cat is to live indoors; it would have been an easier transition when he was younger, but it can still be done, if you're willing to endure a period of "misery" for both yourselves and for him as you retrain him. A new location may very well aid in this reconditioning.
If you're neither willing nor able to retrain him as an indoor-only cat, then your next best bet is to secure your backyard and restrict him only to this area. This should include:
- High fences -- too high to jump over.
- Low fences -- cats can squeeze into some small spaces, so you'll need to ensure there is no ground clearance; ideally, you should bury a section of the fencing to guarantee the cat can't slip underneath.
- Dense fences -- Again, cats can squeeze into small spaces, so you'll need to eliminate any potential spaces in the fence where it could slip loose.
- "Cat proofing" at the top of the fence. This is done by stringing the top with a core surrounded by a free-spinning piece of wide PVC pipe. The pipe should overhand both sides of the fence (you can also add a slanted section of fencing below it, that likewise slants toward your yard). If the fence is too wide for a reasonable sized length of pipe, use two, one angled toward each side of the fence. The goal is to make it impossible for the cat to get a grip anywhere; the pipe will spin if it tries to grip it, and if positioned right, the roller will also prevent the cat from reaching around or under to grab the fence behind it. Keeping the roller toward the outside will prevent nosy climbing wildlife from entering your yard and becoming trapped, which could be a hazard to either them or to your cat, depending on the wildlife.
- Tree trimming -- Even with a high, low, dense, cat-proofed fence, the cat will still be able to escape if you have a tree with branches reaching over it that he can use to evade all these defenses. Get branches trimmed, or consider adding some cat-proofing to prevent climbing the trunks.
You'll want to spend some time outside "thinking like a cat" as well. Imagine yourself as the cat that wants to get on the other side of your fence, and do your best to hunt down any places you might have overlooked where he could sneak out.
As a bonus, a well cat-proofed fence will also help keep a good amount of wildlife out, too, so while he may have less to hunt, you'll also find fewer gifts from him.
An additional note: A harness is not meant for long-term wear on a cat, and the vast majority of cats hate wearing them. Most cats also don't care much for collars, though can be accustomed to them with time. Cats aren't small dogs, and don't naturally walk on leashes; they're solitary ambush predators, not pack hunters who follow the lead of other members of their pack (ie. human owners). He's certainly not a wild animal from your description, just high energy. A truly feral (or even semi-feral) cat is a wild animal that can't be handled. Your cat's just high energy and could probably stand to have more toys and places to climb in the house.
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"The best situation for any domestic cat is to live indoors" - WTF? Did you ask them? Or just decided what is good for them?
– TMS
18 hours ago
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You do wright long paragraphs but don't seem to now a lot about cats. I had cats from early childhood on and continue to have them as an adult and every cat I owned loved to go outside. Actually all cats I've ever known loved to go outside and locking a cat in an apartment/house for me is animal abuse. Cats don't like to walk on leaches but they do need a lot of exercise/fresh air to stay healthy and happy.
– GittingGud
18 hours ago
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@TMS if I asked a child if they'd rather have broccoli or a happy meal, they'd choose the happy meal. That doesn't make it better for them than the broccoli. Indoor cats have longer, healthier lives. Outdoor cats are far more likely to have shorter lives with violent ends.
– Allison C
17 hours ago
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@AllisonC I have my apartment set up in a way how I like it with access to virtually infinite amount of entertainment, nevertheless I don't want to spend my whole life in a building. I doubt cats would want that. Just because they're happy doesn't mean they are as happy as they could be.
– GittingGud
15 hours ago
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@GittingGud Then why would you buy a cat? If my residence could not sufficiently house a pet, I would simply not buy the pet. I can't fathom how that would be too complex of a decision to anyone.
– Chavez
15 hours ago
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Most locations have leash laws that apply to all domestic animals, in most areas they are only enforced on dogs. In an area with a bird sanctuary, it may very well be applied to cats as well.
The risks of moving you cat near a bird sanctuary, may not be just to the local birds.
Check the local laws and their enforcement, fines and loss of your cat are possible.
Read our post on keeping cats contained
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IMO the onus is on the sanctuary. The law may say otherwise though, and that would be my concern, +1
– Mazura
12 hours ago
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Get a collar with a bell.
I'm going to say that the best and easiest way to solve this problem is to get a collar and put a small bell on it. The bell will provide enough warning that the vast majority of birds will have enough warning to escape.
Yes, you say that you have difficulty keeping a collar on your cat. I admit I don't quite understand this -- it's not like cats can remove their own collars. Maybe you aren't putting the collar on tight enough? Don't strangle your cat, but make it tight enough that it doesn't slip over the head easily or at all. I like using a breakaway collar that the cat can get out of in an emergency but put it on tightly enough that an emergency is unlikely to arise.
If the issue is that your cat doesn't like the collar and claws at it or whatever, that's a temporary thing. After a few weeks, your cat will probably be fine with it. If the issue is that you're using a breakaway collar and the collar keeps breaking away, just accept that you'll need to buy a replacement collar every few months or so. You mention that a collar only lasts a few days but I suspect that was either a statistical aberration, the collar was improperly attached, or the breakaway device unlatched too easily. Maybe try a different brand.
A bell and collar is effective and not that big of an expense -- certainly small compared to building a massive fence around your yard or moving elsewhere or other options apparently under consideration.
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Speaking about this with vets it seems not that unusual for a cat to be able to break free from these things. We don't know how it happens, but I know that we've put different style collars on the cat and after a trip or two outside he comes back without it on. Same with two different types of harnesses, which really baffles me. I can understand slipping a collar off or breaking it somehow, but a harness?! Anyway, it is worth trying more, but I don't think this alone will reliably resolve the issue.
– cr0
yesterday
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See the duplicate questions at How can I make my cat less lethal? bell and collar have both safety and effective issues
– James Jenkins♦
20 hours ago
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Cats can definitely remove their own collars, and a cat collar should always be a breakaway one to avoid strangulation. Cats can also get out of most harnesses, but they're not designed to break away and letting a cat loose with a harness is very dangerous for the cat.
– Allison C
17 hours ago
Our female cat could get out of a collar in about 10 minutes. We gave up trying very quickly...
– Nick C
14 hours ago
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I see three possible options:
Attempt to enclose the garden somehow so that he doesn't have free reign in the bird sanctuary. You'd need pretty tall fences though...
Choose a different location.
Accept that he is, by nature, a hunter. You don't mention exactly how many years you've had him (and therefore, how old he is), but he'll get lazier as he gets older and won't bother going hunting when he knows his humans will do it for him...
Added age, we've had him for about 3 years. Those do seem like the options. He has gotten more docile over the years but he's also been in a more urban environment, so we worry all the new wildlife will set him off on a newfound sense of predation
– cr0
yesterday
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So he's about 4 years old - right in his prime as a hunter! Ours are about 9, and the male only brought home 3 prey last summer - our female is already too lazy to hunt at all!
– Nick C
yesterday
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I agree with the third point. besides he's neutered already. On the long run he wont be causing any harm. Like mating with other cats and have kittens.
– Hani Gotc
yesterday
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even if cats get less acctive as they get older they do not stop hunting,i have had several 18 years old cats that did hunt a lot.
– trond hansen
14 hours ago
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I would encourage you to keep trying things, even if they don't seem to work or have not worked in the past.
As others have suggested, try various things to make indoors more appealing, so he has less of an urge to venture outdoors.
Play with him. A lot. No, even more than that. Give him an outlet for all that energy.
If he's really food motivated, it should be possible to train him to accept a collar eventually - just keep at it! And once you do, the right collar can really help out Team Bird. That article cites a small study where a brightly colored collar appeared to reduce Team Cat's kill count by 54%, and the current website for a company that sells such collars cites a study that claims 87%.
Even an 87% reduction is still only a reduction, and not an elimination, however. The only surefire method to completely prevent bird killings by your cat appears to be keeping him indoors.
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The 87% figure seems to be sourced to sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2351989415000050. Anyway, I'll certainly buy 54%, and I suppose 87% just might be plausible with a really high-visibility collar. But note that even a 90% reduction in lethality still just means that the cat needs to try again 10 times on average before catching their feathery snack. It's a lot better than nothing, but I still wouldn't want to let even a 10% effective cat loose in a bird sanctuary. Especially since even failed hunting attempts can still disturb the birds.
– Ilmari Karonen
16 hours ago
@Ilmari Thank you, edited to note that.
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I do disagree with most answers posted so far, because:
Cats are natural predators who should have lot of physical exercise.
Locking a cat into an apartment/house in my opinion is animal abuse,
especially if the cat was/is used to be a free roaming cat most of it's life.
Cats aren't the smartest beings but imagine being locked into the same few sq. meters for the rest of your life. That's torture.
I would try different types of collars, especially ones with flashy colors.
But be sure that he does not choke himself while trying to get rid of it.
Try feeding him more because the amount a cat hunts and/or how far away from it's sleeping spot a cat walks is directly correlated to how much food they have.
Nevertheless cats do hunt for fun so that will reduce but not stop cats from killing birds.
I would just see how many birds your cat brings and if he brings so many that you think it is a endangering a whole ecosystem then I would take action.
A single cat is unlikely to kill a sufficient amount of birds that the purpose of a bird sanctuary isn't fulfilled anymore.
Additionally I do want to add, nevertheless I think cats should roam freely, that you do check whether it is even legal for you to have your cat outside if it's a proper nature-sanctuary because dogs are usually not allowed to walk freely in those areas.
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"He will probably not kill as much if you up the difficulty level" is hardly a worthy answer, let alone a serious one. Cats are known to be a major problem to birds, killing somewhere between 1.4 to 3.7 billion of them annually. Stating that just one more will not make a notable difference means you're part of the problem.
– Chavez
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I adopted two cats from a shelter almost 9 years ago. They are sisters. So I was told: Russian Blue and Main Coon :-) They were about one year old and would do anything just to get outside: my backyard is on a city border, facing a farmed field and a small wood. Almost every day for the next four summers the sisters were catching mice in the field and releasing in the house. I became a third cat doing just the opposite. A bird was a quite rare catch: two-three in a summer. Half of them alive: just open all doors and windows. I notice with delight at the fifth summer that the cats started to spend more time indoors. Last summer was only three mice and no birds. Nothing this year so far. They are adults now. Caught almost all what possible to carry: mice different kind, birds, snakes, lizards, and once a rabbit. The rabbit did not look wild, so I asked the neighbors and we found the owner. Female cats may have the biggest agenda imprinted in them when they hunt: bring it to the kitten and teach how to catch.
Once I had for two weeks a loosely-domesticated cat. He was sneaking through a cat door in cold January nights and eating what had left. I saw him outside and feed once, then more, invited in the house. He was more afraid of me inside and did not become any more domesticated with the time. I opened the door and he did not think twice. He must be a good hunter - I saw him regularly checking outskirts, but he did not bring anything to me to show.
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Whatever your general opinions on free-roaming cats may be, allowing your cat to hunt in a bird sanctuary definitely sounds like a highly irresponsible thing to do.
If you'd rather not lock your cat entirely indoors, one option to consider would be to build a secure outdoor enclosure for your cat. Unlike Allison C, I wouldn't rely on just a fence, no matter how "cat-proofed", because cats are really, really good at finding ways over, under or through fences.
What does work though, in my experience, is simply surrounding a suitable space on all sides with a durable net or wire mesh, and making sure there are no holes large enough for a cat to get through. The details will vary depending on what your new house or apartment is like, but it could be as simple as surrounding a balcony / terrace / patio / veranda or any similar "semi-outdoor" area with cat-proof net or mesh.
For a practical example, here's one of my parents' cats watching the local wildlife from behind a temporary net set up to close off their new ground floor apartment's patio:
and here are both of them in winter (one braving the cold outside, one safe and warm inside behind the window), showing the final (semi-)permanent enclosure we built out of chicken wire:
The new structure extends a few meters into the back yard, so that there's room for a small garden inside, including some vines to climb and partly cover the wire fence (not yet visible in these photos). It consists of just a few wooden posts and beams that attach to the existing partition walls between the neighboring patios and support a chicken wire fence between them, with the old nylon net now serving as a roof over it (because cats can climb, you know) and the chicken wire extending some distance underground (because they can dig too — not that either of these two have ever tried).
We even built a simple lockable gate (half visible on the right side of the second photo) into the fence so that we can still get to the outside (not that there's much there, except some trees and neighbors' back yards) without having to walk around the whole building.
The important thing to remember (for your peace of mind, and the safety of any birds living nearby) is that cats can squeeze their head through surprisingly small holes if they're sufficiently motivated, e.g. by tasty birds waiting just outside — and if the head gets through, the rest of the cat will most likely follow. (For evidence, see e.g. any of these YouTube videos.) But there are limits, and something like a 1 inch / 2.5 cm mesh size is definitely too small for any adult cat to possibly get through. Meanwhile, it's still large enough that any small birds or rodents that may unwisely enter the enclosure can also easily get out.
Ps. I wrote most of this answer before noticing the How to let an indoor cat have some outdoors time safely? thread, which also has some pictures of outdoor cat enclosures. I figured I'd post this anyway, because it's still a valid answer and shows a somewhat different style of enclosure.
add a comment |
Whatever your general opinions on free-roaming cats may be, allowing your cat to hunt in a bird sanctuary definitely sounds like a highly irresponsible thing to do.
If you'd rather not lock your cat entirely indoors, one option to consider would be to build a secure outdoor enclosure for your cat. Unlike Allison C, I wouldn't rely on just a fence, no matter how "cat-proofed", because cats are really, really good at finding ways over, under or through fences.
What does work though, in my experience, is simply surrounding a suitable space on all sides with a durable net or wire mesh, and making sure there are no holes large enough for a cat to get through. The details will vary depending on what your new house or apartment is like, but it could be as simple as surrounding a balcony / terrace / patio / veranda or any similar "semi-outdoor" area with cat-proof net or mesh.
For a practical example, here's one of my parents' cats watching the local wildlife from behind a temporary net set up to close off their new ground floor apartment's patio:
and here are both of them in winter (one braving the cold outside, one safe and warm inside behind the window), showing the final (semi-)permanent enclosure we built out of chicken wire:
The new structure extends a few meters into the back yard, so that there's room for a small garden inside, including some vines to climb and partly cover the wire fence (not yet visible in these photos). It consists of just a few wooden posts and beams that attach to the existing partition walls between the neighboring patios and support a chicken wire fence between them, with the old nylon net now serving as a roof over it (because cats can climb, you know) and the chicken wire extending some distance underground (because they can dig too — not that either of these two have ever tried).
We even built a simple lockable gate (half visible on the right side of the second photo) into the fence so that we can still get to the outside (not that there's much there, except some trees and neighbors' back yards) without having to walk around the whole building.
The important thing to remember (for your peace of mind, and the safety of any birds living nearby) is that cats can squeeze their head through surprisingly small holes if they're sufficiently motivated, e.g. by tasty birds waiting just outside — and if the head gets through, the rest of the cat will most likely follow. (For evidence, see e.g. any of these YouTube videos.) But there are limits, and something like a 1 inch / 2.5 cm mesh size is definitely too small for any adult cat to possibly get through. Meanwhile, it's still large enough that any small birds or rodents that may unwisely enter the enclosure can also easily get out.
Ps. I wrote most of this answer before noticing the How to let an indoor cat have some outdoors time safely? thread, which also has some pictures of outdoor cat enclosures. I figured I'd post this anyway, because it's still a valid answer and shows a somewhat different style of enclosure.
add a comment |
Whatever your general opinions on free-roaming cats may be, allowing your cat to hunt in a bird sanctuary definitely sounds like a highly irresponsible thing to do.
If you'd rather not lock your cat entirely indoors, one option to consider would be to build a secure outdoor enclosure for your cat. Unlike Allison C, I wouldn't rely on just a fence, no matter how "cat-proofed", because cats are really, really good at finding ways over, under or through fences.
What does work though, in my experience, is simply surrounding a suitable space on all sides with a durable net or wire mesh, and making sure there are no holes large enough for a cat to get through. The details will vary depending on what your new house or apartment is like, but it could be as simple as surrounding a balcony / terrace / patio / veranda or any similar "semi-outdoor" area with cat-proof net or mesh.
For a practical example, here's one of my parents' cats watching the local wildlife from behind a temporary net set up to close off their new ground floor apartment's patio:
and here are both of them in winter (one braving the cold outside, one safe and warm inside behind the window), showing the final (semi-)permanent enclosure we built out of chicken wire:
The new structure extends a few meters into the back yard, so that there's room for a small garden inside, including some vines to climb and partly cover the wire fence (not yet visible in these photos). It consists of just a few wooden posts and beams that attach to the existing partition walls between the neighboring patios and support a chicken wire fence between them, with the old nylon net now serving as a roof over it (because cats can climb, you know) and the chicken wire extending some distance underground (because they can dig too — not that either of these two have ever tried).
We even built a simple lockable gate (half visible on the right side of the second photo) into the fence so that we can still get to the outside (not that there's much there, except some trees and neighbors' back yards) without having to walk around the whole building.
The important thing to remember (for your peace of mind, and the safety of any birds living nearby) is that cats can squeeze their head through surprisingly small holes if they're sufficiently motivated, e.g. by tasty birds waiting just outside — and if the head gets through, the rest of the cat will most likely follow. (For evidence, see e.g. any of these YouTube videos.) But there are limits, and something like a 1 inch / 2.5 cm mesh size is definitely too small for any adult cat to possibly get through. Meanwhile, it's still large enough that any small birds or rodents that may unwisely enter the enclosure can also easily get out.
Ps. I wrote most of this answer before noticing the How to let an indoor cat have some outdoors time safely? thread, which also has some pictures of outdoor cat enclosures. I figured I'd post this anyway, because it's still a valid answer and shows a somewhat different style of enclosure.
Whatever your general opinions on free-roaming cats may be, allowing your cat to hunt in a bird sanctuary definitely sounds like a highly irresponsible thing to do.
If you'd rather not lock your cat entirely indoors, one option to consider would be to build a secure outdoor enclosure for your cat. Unlike Allison C, I wouldn't rely on just a fence, no matter how "cat-proofed", because cats are really, really good at finding ways over, under or through fences.
What does work though, in my experience, is simply surrounding a suitable space on all sides with a durable net or wire mesh, and making sure there are no holes large enough for a cat to get through. The details will vary depending on what your new house or apartment is like, but it could be as simple as surrounding a balcony / terrace / patio / veranda or any similar "semi-outdoor" area with cat-proof net or mesh.
For a practical example, here's one of my parents' cats watching the local wildlife from behind a temporary net set up to close off their new ground floor apartment's patio:
and here are both of them in winter (one braving the cold outside, one safe and warm inside behind the window), showing the final (semi-)permanent enclosure we built out of chicken wire:
The new structure extends a few meters into the back yard, so that there's room for a small garden inside, including some vines to climb and partly cover the wire fence (not yet visible in these photos). It consists of just a few wooden posts and beams that attach to the existing partition walls between the neighboring patios and support a chicken wire fence between them, with the old nylon net now serving as a roof over it (because cats can climb, you know) and the chicken wire extending some distance underground (because they can dig too — not that either of these two have ever tried).
We even built a simple lockable gate (half visible on the right side of the second photo) into the fence so that we can still get to the outside (not that there's much there, except some trees and neighbors' back yards) without having to walk around the whole building.
The important thing to remember (for your peace of mind, and the safety of any birds living nearby) is that cats can squeeze their head through surprisingly small holes if they're sufficiently motivated, e.g. by tasty birds waiting just outside — and if the head gets through, the rest of the cat will most likely follow. (For evidence, see e.g. any of these YouTube videos.) But there are limits, and something like a 1 inch / 2.5 cm mesh size is definitely too small for any adult cat to possibly get through. Meanwhile, it's still large enough that any small birds or rodents that may unwisely enter the enclosure can also easily get out.
Ps. I wrote most of this answer before noticing the How to let an indoor cat have some outdoors time safely? thread, which also has some pictures of outdoor cat enclosures. I figured I'd post this anyway, because it's still a valid answer and shows a somewhat different style of enclosure.
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The best situation for any domestic cat is to live indoors; it would have been an easier transition when he was younger, but it can still be done, if you're willing to endure a period of "misery" for both yourselves and for him as you retrain him. A new location may very well aid in this reconditioning.
If you're neither willing nor able to retrain him as an indoor-only cat, then your next best bet is to secure your backyard and restrict him only to this area. This should include:
- High fences -- too high to jump over.
- Low fences -- cats can squeeze into some small spaces, so you'll need to ensure there is no ground clearance; ideally, you should bury a section of the fencing to guarantee the cat can't slip underneath.
- Dense fences -- Again, cats can squeeze into small spaces, so you'll need to eliminate any potential spaces in the fence where it could slip loose.
- "Cat proofing" at the top of the fence. This is done by stringing the top with a core surrounded by a free-spinning piece of wide PVC pipe. The pipe should overhand both sides of the fence (you can also add a slanted section of fencing below it, that likewise slants toward your yard). If the fence is too wide for a reasonable sized length of pipe, use two, one angled toward each side of the fence. The goal is to make it impossible for the cat to get a grip anywhere; the pipe will spin if it tries to grip it, and if positioned right, the roller will also prevent the cat from reaching around or under to grab the fence behind it. Keeping the roller toward the outside will prevent nosy climbing wildlife from entering your yard and becoming trapped, which could be a hazard to either them or to your cat, depending on the wildlife.
- Tree trimming -- Even with a high, low, dense, cat-proofed fence, the cat will still be able to escape if you have a tree with branches reaching over it that he can use to evade all these defenses. Get branches trimmed, or consider adding some cat-proofing to prevent climbing the trunks.
You'll want to spend some time outside "thinking like a cat" as well. Imagine yourself as the cat that wants to get on the other side of your fence, and do your best to hunt down any places you might have overlooked where he could sneak out.
As a bonus, a well cat-proofed fence will also help keep a good amount of wildlife out, too, so while he may have less to hunt, you'll also find fewer gifts from him.
An additional note: A harness is not meant for long-term wear on a cat, and the vast majority of cats hate wearing them. Most cats also don't care much for collars, though can be accustomed to them with time. Cats aren't small dogs, and don't naturally walk on leashes; they're solitary ambush predators, not pack hunters who follow the lead of other members of their pack (ie. human owners). He's certainly not a wild animal from your description, just high energy. A truly feral (or even semi-feral) cat is a wild animal that can't be handled. Your cat's just high energy and could probably stand to have more toys and places to climb in the house.
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"The best situation for any domestic cat is to live indoors" - WTF? Did you ask them? Or just decided what is good for them?
– TMS
18 hours ago
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You do wright long paragraphs but don't seem to now a lot about cats. I had cats from early childhood on and continue to have them as an adult and every cat I owned loved to go outside. Actually all cats I've ever known loved to go outside and locking a cat in an apartment/house for me is animal abuse. Cats don't like to walk on leaches but they do need a lot of exercise/fresh air to stay healthy and happy.
– GittingGud
18 hours ago
3
@TMS if I asked a child if they'd rather have broccoli or a happy meal, they'd choose the happy meal. That doesn't make it better for them than the broccoli. Indoor cats have longer, healthier lives. Outdoor cats are far more likely to have shorter lives with violent ends.
– Allison C
17 hours ago
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@AllisonC I have my apartment set up in a way how I like it with access to virtually infinite amount of entertainment, nevertheless I don't want to spend my whole life in a building. I doubt cats would want that. Just because they're happy doesn't mean they are as happy as they could be.
– GittingGud
15 hours ago
2
@GittingGud Then why would you buy a cat? If my residence could not sufficiently house a pet, I would simply not buy the pet. I can't fathom how that would be too complex of a decision to anyone.
– Chavez
15 hours ago
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The best situation for any domestic cat is to live indoors; it would have been an easier transition when he was younger, but it can still be done, if you're willing to endure a period of "misery" for both yourselves and for him as you retrain him. A new location may very well aid in this reconditioning.
If you're neither willing nor able to retrain him as an indoor-only cat, then your next best bet is to secure your backyard and restrict him only to this area. This should include:
- High fences -- too high to jump over.
- Low fences -- cats can squeeze into some small spaces, so you'll need to ensure there is no ground clearance; ideally, you should bury a section of the fencing to guarantee the cat can't slip underneath.
- Dense fences -- Again, cats can squeeze into small spaces, so you'll need to eliminate any potential spaces in the fence where it could slip loose.
- "Cat proofing" at the top of the fence. This is done by stringing the top with a core surrounded by a free-spinning piece of wide PVC pipe. The pipe should overhand both sides of the fence (you can also add a slanted section of fencing below it, that likewise slants toward your yard). If the fence is too wide for a reasonable sized length of pipe, use two, one angled toward each side of the fence. The goal is to make it impossible for the cat to get a grip anywhere; the pipe will spin if it tries to grip it, and if positioned right, the roller will also prevent the cat from reaching around or under to grab the fence behind it. Keeping the roller toward the outside will prevent nosy climbing wildlife from entering your yard and becoming trapped, which could be a hazard to either them or to your cat, depending on the wildlife.
- Tree trimming -- Even with a high, low, dense, cat-proofed fence, the cat will still be able to escape if you have a tree with branches reaching over it that he can use to evade all these defenses. Get branches trimmed, or consider adding some cat-proofing to prevent climbing the trunks.
You'll want to spend some time outside "thinking like a cat" as well. Imagine yourself as the cat that wants to get on the other side of your fence, and do your best to hunt down any places you might have overlooked where he could sneak out.
As a bonus, a well cat-proofed fence will also help keep a good amount of wildlife out, too, so while he may have less to hunt, you'll also find fewer gifts from him.
An additional note: A harness is not meant for long-term wear on a cat, and the vast majority of cats hate wearing them. Most cats also don't care much for collars, though can be accustomed to them with time. Cats aren't small dogs, and don't naturally walk on leashes; they're solitary ambush predators, not pack hunters who follow the lead of other members of their pack (ie. human owners). He's certainly not a wild animal from your description, just high energy. A truly feral (or even semi-feral) cat is a wild animal that can't be handled. Your cat's just high energy and could probably stand to have more toys and places to climb in the house.
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"The best situation for any domestic cat is to live indoors" - WTF? Did you ask them? Or just decided what is good for them?
– TMS
18 hours ago
4
You do wright long paragraphs but don't seem to now a lot about cats. I had cats from early childhood on and continue to have them as an adult and every cat I owned loved to go outside. Actually all cats I've ever known loved to go outside and locking a cat in an apartment/house for me is animal abuse. Cats don't like to walk on leaches but they do need a lot of exercise/fresh air to stay healthy and happy.
– GittingGud
18 hours ago
3
@TMS if I asked a child if they'd rather have broccoli or a happy meal, they'd choose the happy meal. That doesn't make it better for them than the broccoli. Indoor cats have longer, healthier lives. Outdoor cats are far more likely to have shorter lives with violent ends.
– Allison C
17 hours ago
2
@AllisonC I have my apartment set up in a way how I like it with access to virtually infinite amount of entertainment, nevertheless I don't want to spend my whole life in a building. I doubt cats would want that. Just because they're happy doesn't mean they are as happy as they could be.
– GittingGud
15 hours ago
2
@GittingGud Then why would you buy a cat? If my residence could not sufficiently house a pet, I would simply not buy the pet. I can't fathom how that would be too complex of a decision to anyone.
– Chavez
15 hours ago
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The best situation for any domestic cat is to live indoors; it would have been an easier transition when he was younger, but it can still be done, if you're willing to endure a period of "misery" for both yourselves and for him as you retrain him. A new location may very well aid in this reconditioning.
If you're neither willing nor able to retrain him as an indoor-only cat, then your next best bet is to secure your backyard and restrict him only to this area. This should include:
- High fences -- too high to jump over.
- Low fences -- cats can squeeze into some small spaces, so you'll need to ensure there is no ground clearance; ideally, you should bury a section of the fencing to guarantee the cat can't slip underneath.
- Dense fences -- Again, cats can squeeze into small spaces, so you'll need to eliminate any potential spaces in the fence where it could slip loose.
- "Cat proofing" at the top of the fence. This is done by stringing the top with a core surrounded by a free-spinning piece of wide PVC pipe. The pipe should overhand both sides of the fence (you can also add a slanted section of fencing below it, that likewise slants toward your yard). If the fence is too wide for a reasonable sized length of pipe, use two, one angled toward each side of the fence. The goal is to make it impossible for the cat to get a grip anywhere; the pipe will spin if it tries to grip it, and if positioned right, the roller will also prevent the cat from reaching around or under to grab the fence behind it. Keeping the roller toward the outside will prevent nosy climbing wildlife from entering your yard and becoming trapped, which could be a hazard to either them or to your cat, depending on the wildlife.
- Tree trimming -- Even with a high, low, dense, cat-proofed fence, the cat will still be able to escape if you have a tree with branches reaching over it that he can use to evade all these defenses. Get branches trimmed, or consider adding some cat-proofing to prevent climbing the trunks.
You'll want to spend some time outside "thinking like a cat" as well. Imagine yourself as the cat that wants to get on the other side of your fence, and do your best to hunt down any places you might have overlooked where he could sneak out.
As a bonus, a well cat-proofed fence will also help keep a good amount of wildlife out, too, so while he may have less to hunt, you'll also find fewer gifts from him.
An additional note: A harness is not meant for long-term wear on a cat, and the vast majority of cats hate wearing them. Most cats also don't care much for collars, though can be accustomed to them with time. Cats aren't small dogs, and don't naturally walk on leashes; they're solitary ambush predators, not pack hunters who follow the lead of other members of their pack (ie. human owners). He's certainly not a wild animal from your description, just high energy. A truly feral (or even semi-feral) cat is a wild animal that can't be handled. Your cat's just high energy and could probably stand to have more toys and places to climb in the house.
The best situation for any domestic cat is to live indoors; it would have been an easier transition when he was younger, but it can still be done, if you're willing to endure a period of "misery" for both yourselves and for him as you retrain him. A new location may very well aid in this reconditioning.
If you're neither willing nor able to retrain him as an indoor-only cat, then your next best bet is to secure your backyard and restrict him only to this area. This should include:
- High fences -- too high to jump over.
- Low fences -- cats can squeeze into some small spaces, so you'll need to ensure there is no ground clearance; ideally, you should bury a section of the fencing to guarantee the cat can't slip underneath.
- Dense fences -- Again, cats can squeeze into small spaces, so you'll need to eliminate any potential spaces in the fence where it could slip loose.
- "Cat proofing" at the top of the fence. This is done by stringing the top with a core surrounded by a free-spinning piece of wide PVC pipe. The pipe should overhand both sides of the fence (you can also add a slanted section of fencing below it, that likewise slants toward your yard). If the fence is too wide for a reasonable sized length of pipe, use two, one angled toward each side of the fence. The goal is to make it impossible for the cat to get a grip anywhere; the pipe will spin if it tries to grip it, and if positioned right, the roller will also prevent the cat from reaching around or under to grab the fence behind it. Keeping the roller toward the outside will prevent nosy climbing wildlife from entering your yard and becoming trapped, which could be a hazard to either them or to your cat, depending on the wildlife.
- Tree trimming -- Even with a high, low, dense, cat-proofed fence, the cat will still be able to escape if you have a tree with branches reaching over it that he can use to evade all these defenses. Get branches trimmed, or consider adding some cat-proofing to prevent climbing the trunks.
You'll want to spend some time outside "thinking like a cat" as well. Imagine yourself as the cat that wants to get on the other side of your fence, and do your best to hunt down any places you might have overlooked where he could sneak out.
As a bonus, a well cat-proofed fence will also help keep a good amount of wildlife out, too, so while he may have less to hunt, you'll also find fewer gifts from him.
An additional note: A harness is not meant for long-term wear on a cat, and the vast majority of cats hate wearing them. Most cats also don't care much for collars, though can be accustomed to them with time. Cats aren't small dogs, and don't naturally walk on leashes; they're solitary ambush predators, not pack hunters who follow the lead of other members of their pack (ie. human owners). He's certainly not a wild animal from your description, just high energy. A truly feral (or even semi-feral) cat is a wild animal that can't be handled. Your cat's just high energy and could probably stand to have more toys and places to climb in the house.
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"The best situation for any domestic cat is to live indoors" - WTF? Did you ask them? Or just decided what is good for them?
– TMS
18 hours ago
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You do wright long paragraphs but don't seem to now a lot about cats. I had cats from early childhood on and continue to have them as an adult and every cat I owned loved to go outside. Actually all cats I've ever known loved to go outside and locking a cat in an apartment/house for me is animal abuse. Cats don't like to walk on leaches but they do need a lot of exercise/fresh air to stay healthy and happy.
– GittingGud
18 hours ago
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@TMS if I asked a child if they'd rather have broccoli or a happy meal, they'd choose the happy meal. That doesn't make it better for them than the broccoli. Indoor cats have longer, healthier lives. Outdoor cats are far more likely to have shorter lives with violent ends.
– Allison C
17 hours ago
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@AllisonC I have my apartment set up in a way how I like it with access to virtually infinite amount of entertainment, nevertheless I don't want to spend my whole life in a building. I doubt cats would want that. Just because they're happy doesn't mean they are as happy as they could be.
– GittingGud
15 hours ago
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@GittingGud Then why would you buy a cat? If my residence could not sufficiently house a pet, I would simply not buy the pet. I can't fathom how that would be too complex of a decision to anyone.
– Chavez
15 hours ago
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"The best situation for any domestic cat is to live indoors" - WTF? Did you ask them? Or just decided what is good for them?
– TMS
18 hours ago
4
You do wright long paragraphs but don't seem to now a lot about cats. I had cats from early childhood on and continue to have them as an adult and every cat I owned loved to go outside. Actually all cats I've ever known loved to go outside and locking a cat in an apartment/house for me is animal abuse. Cats don't like to walk on leaches but they do need a lot of exercise/fresh air to stay healthy and happy.
– GittingGud
18 hours ago
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@TMS if I asked a child if they'd rather have broccoli or a happy meal, they'd choose the happy meal. That doesn't make it better for them than the broccoli. Indoor cats have longer, healthier lives. Outdoor cats are far more likely to have shorter lives with violent ends.
– Allison C
17 hours ago
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@AllisonC I have my apartment set up in a way how I like it with access to virtually infinite amount of entertainment, nevertheless I don't want to spend my whole life in a building. I doubt cats would want that. Just because they're happy doesn't mean they are as happy as they could be.
– GittingGud
15 hours ago
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@GittingGud Then why would you buy a cat? If my residence could not sufficiently house a pet, I would simply not buy the pet. I can't fathom how that would be too complex of a decision to anyone.
– Chavez
15 hours ago
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"The best situation for any domestic cat is to live indoors" - WTF? Did you ask them? Or just decided what is good for them?
– TMS
18 hours ago
"The best situation for any domestic cat is to live indoors" - WTF? Did you ask them? Or just decided what is good for them?
– TMS
18 hours ago
4
4
You do wright long paragraphs but don't seem to now a lot about cats. I had cats from early childhood on and continue to have them as an adult and every cat I owned loved to go outside. Actually all cats I've ever known loved to go outside and locking a cat in an apartment/house for me is animal abuse. Cats don't like to walk on leaches but they do need a lot of exercise/fresh air to stay healthy and happy.
– GittingGud
18 hours ago
You do wright long paragraphs but don't seem to now a lot about cats. I had cats from early childhood on and continue to have them as an adult and every cat I owned loved to go outside. Actually all cats I've ever known loved to go outside and locking a cat in an apartment/house for me is animal abuse. Cats don't like to walk on leaches but they do need a lot of exercise/fresh air to stay healthy and happy.
– GittingGud
18 hours ago
3
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@TMS if I asked a child if they'd rather have broccoli or a happy meal, they'd choose the happy meal. That doesn't make it better for them than the broccoli. Indoor cats have longer, healthier lives. Outdoor cats are far more likely to have shorter lives with violent ends.
– Allison C
17 hours ago
@TMS if I asked a child if they'd rather have broccoli or a happy meal, they'd choose the happy meal. That doesn't make it better for them than the broccoli. Indoor cats have longer, healthier lives. Outdoor cats are far more likely to have shorter lives with violent ends.
– Allison C
17 hours ago
2
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@AllisonC I have my apartment set up in a way how I like it with access to virtually infinite amount of entertainment, nevertheless I don't want to spend my whole life in a building. I doubt cats would want that. Just because they're happy doesn't mean they are as happy as they could be.
– GittingGud
15 hours ago
@AllisonC I have my apartment set up in a way how I like it with access to virtually infinite amount of entertainment, nevertheless I don't want to spend my whole life in a building. I doubt cats would want that. Just because they're happy doesn't mean they are as happy as they could be.
– GittingGud
15 hours ago
2
2
@GittingGud Then why would you buy a cat? If my residence could not sufficiently house a pet, I would simply not buy the pet. I can't fathom how that would be too complex of a decision to anyone.
– Chavez
15 hours ago
@GittingGud Then why would you buy a cat? If my residence could not sufficiently house a pet, I would simply not buy the pet. I can't fathom how that would be too complex of a decision to anyone.
– Chavez
15 hours ago
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Most locations have leash laws that apply to all domestic animals, in most areas they are only enforced on dogs. In an area with a bird sanctuary, it may very well be applied to cats as well.
The risks of moving you cat near a bird sanctuary, may not be just to the local birds.
Check the local laws and their enforcement, fines and loss of your cat are possible.
Read our post on keeping cats contained
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IMO the onus is on the sanctuary. The law may say otherwise though, and that would be my concern, +1
– Mazura
12 hours ago
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Most locations have leash laws that apply to all domestic animals, in most areas they are only enforced on dogs. In an area with a bird sanctuary, it may very well be applied to cats as well.
The risks of moving you cat near a bird sanctuary, may not be just to the local birds.
Check the local laws and their enforcement, fines and loss of your cat are possible.
Read our post on keeping cats contained
1
IMO the onus is on the sanctuary. The law may say otherwise though, and that would be my concern, +1
– Mazura
12 hours ago
add a comment |
Most locations have leash laws that apply to all domestic animals, in most areas they are only enforced on dogs. In an area with a bird sanctuary, it may very well be applied to cats as well.
The risks of moving you cat near a bird sanctuary, may not be just to the local birds.
Check the local laws and their enforcement, fines and loss of your cat are possible.
Read our post on keeping cats contained
Most locations have leash laws that apply to all domestic animals, in most areas they are only enforced on dogs. In an area with a bird sanctuary, it may very well be applied to cats as well.
The risks of moving you cat near a bird sanctuary, may not be just to the local birds.
Check the local laws and their enforcement, fines and loss of your cat are possible.
Read our post on keeping cats contained
answered yesterday
James Jenkins♦James Jenkins
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IMO the onus is on the sanctuary. The law may say otherwise though, and that would be my concern, +1
– Mazura
12 hours ago
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IMO the onus is on the sanctuary. The law may say otherwise though, and that would be my concern, +1
– Mazura
12 hours ago
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IMO the onus is on the sanctuary. The law may say otherwise though, and that would be my concern, +1
– Mazura
12 hours ago
IMO the onus is on the sanctuary. The law may say otherwise though, and that would be my concern, +1
– Mazura
12 hours ago
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Get a collar with a bell.
I'm going to say that the best and easiest way to solve this problem is to get a collar and put a small bell on it. The bell will provide enough warning that the vast majority of birds will have enough warning to escape.
Yes, you say that you have difficulty keeping a collar on your cat. I admit I don't quite understand this -- it's not like cats can remove their own collars. Maybe you aren't putting the collar on tight enough? Don't strangle your cat, but make it tight enough that it doesn't slip over the head easily or at all. I like using a breakaway collar that the cat can get out of in an emergency but put it on tightly enough that an emergency is unlikely to arise.
If the issue is that your cat doesn't like the collar and claws at it or whatever, that's a temporary thing. After a few weeks, your cat will probably be fine with it. If the issue is that you're using a breakaway collar and the collar keeps breaking away, just accept that you'll need to buy a replacement collar every few months or so. You mention that a collar only lasts a few days but I suspect that was either a statistical aberration, the collar was improperly attached, or the breakaway device unlatched too easily. Maybe try a different brand.
A bell and collar is effective and not that big of an expense -- certainly small compared to building a massive fence around your yard or moving elsewhere or other options apparently under consideration.
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Speaking about this with vets it seems not that unusual for a cat to be able to break free from these things. We don't know how it happens, but I know that we've put different style collars on the cat and after a trip or two outside he comes back without it on. Same with two different types of harnesses, which really baffles me. I can understand slipping a collar off or breaking it somehow, but a harness?! Anyway, it is worth trying more, but I don't think this alone will reliably resolve the issue.
– cr0
yesterday
1
See the duplicate questions at How can I make my cat less lethal? bell and collar have both safety and effective issues
– James Jenkins♦
20 hours ago
3
Cats can definitely remove their own collars, and a cat collar should always be a breakaway one to avoid strangulation. Cats can also get out of most harnesses, but they're not designed to break away and letting a cat loose with a harness is very dangerous for the cat.
– Allison C
17 hours ago
Our female cat could get out of a collar in about 10 minutes. We gave up trying very quickly...
– Nick C
14 hours ago
add a comment |
Get a collar with a bell.
I'm going to say that the best and easiest way to solve this problem is to get a collar and put a small bell on it. The bell will provide enough warning that the vast majority of birds will have enough warning to escape.
Yes, you say that you have difficulty keeping a collar on your cat. I admit I don't quite understand this -- it's not like cats can remove their own collars. Maybe you aren't putting the collar on tight enough? Don't strangle your cat, but make it tight enough that it doesn't slip over the head easily or at all. I like using a breakaway collar that the cat can get out of in an emergency but put it on tightly enough that an emergency is unlikely to arise.
If the issue is that your cat doesn't like the collar and claws at it or whatever, that's a temporary thing. After a few weeks, your cat will probably be fine with it. If the issue is that you're using a breakaway collar and the collar keeps breaking away, just accept that you'll need to buy a replacement collar every few months or so. You mention that a collar only lasts a few days but I suspect that was either a statistical aberration, the collar was improperly attached, or the breakaway device unlatched too easily. Maybe try a different brand.
A bell and collar is effective and not that big of an expense -- certainly small compared to building a massive fence around your yard or moving elsewhere or other options apparently under consideration.
New contributor
4
Speaking about this with vets it seems not that unusual for a cat to be able to break free from these things. We don't know how it happens, but I know that we've put different style collars on the cat and after a trip or two outside he comes back without it on. Same with two different types of harnesses, which really baffles me. I can understand slipping a collar off or breaking it somehow, but a harness?! Anyway, it is worth trying more, but I don't think this alone will reliably resolve the issue.
– cr0
yesterday
1
See the duplicate questions at How can I make my cat less lethal? bell and collar have both safety and effective issues
– James Jenkins♦
20 hours ago
3
Cats can definitely remove their own collars, and a cat collar should always be a breakaway one to avoid strangulation. Cats can also get out of most harnesses, but they're not designed to break away and letting a cat loose with a harness is very dangerous for the cat.
– Allison C
17 hours ago
Our female cat could get out of a collar in about 10 minutes. We gave up trying very quickly...
– Nick C
14 hours ago
add a comment |
Get a collar with a bell.
I'm going to say that the best and easiest way to solve this problem is to get a collar and put a small bell on it. The bell will provide enough warning that the vast majority of birds will have enough warning to escape.
Yes, you say that you have difficulty keeping a collar on your cat. I admit I don't quite understand this -- it's not like cats can remove their own collars. Maybe you aren't putting the collar on tight enough? Don't strangle your cat, but make it tight enough that it doesn't slip over the head easily or at all. I like using a breakaway collar that the cat can get out of in an emergency but put it on tightly enough that an emergency is unlikely to arise.
If the issue is that your cat doesn't like the collar and claws at it or whatever, that's a temporary thing. After a few weeks, your cat will probably be fine with it. If the issue is that you're using a breakaway collar and the collar keeps breaking away, just accept that you'll need to buy a replacement collar every few months or so. You mention that a collar only lasts a few days but I suspect that was either a statistical aberration, the collar was improperly attached, or the breakaway device unlatched too easily. Maybe try a different brand.
A bell and collar is effective and not that big of an expense -- certainly small compared to building a massive fence around your yard or moving elsewhere or other options apparently under consideration.
New contributor
Get a collar with a bell.
I'm going to say that the best and easiest way to solve this problem is to get a collar and put a small bell on it. The bell will provide enough warning that the vast majority of birds will have enough warning to escape.
Yes, you say that you have difficulty keeping a collar on your cat. I admit I don't quite understand this -- it's not like cats can remove their own collars. Maybe you aren't putting the collar on tight enough? Don't strangle your cat, but make it tight enough that it doesn't slip over the head easily or at all. I like using a breakaway collar that the cat can get out of in an emergency but put it on tightly enough that an emergency is unlikely to arise.
If the issue is that your cat doesn't like the collar and claws at it or whatever, that's a temporary thing. After a few weeks, your cat will probably be fine with it. If the issue is that you're using a breakaway collar and the collar keeps breaking away, just accept that you'll need to buy a replacement collar every few months or so. You mention that a collar only lasts a few days but I suspect that was either a statistical aberration, the collar was improperly attached, or the breakaway device unlatched too easily. Maybe try a different brand.
A bell and collar is effective and not that big of an expense -- certainly small compared to building a massive fence around your yard or moving elsewhere or other options apparently under consideration.
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GalendoGalendo
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Speaking about this with vets it seems not that unusual for a cat to be able to break free from these things. We don't know how it happens, but I know that we've put different style collars on the cat and after a trip or two outside he comes back without it on. Same with two different types of harnesses, which really baffles me. I can understand slipping a collar off or breaking it somehow, but a harness?! Anyway, it is worth trying more, but I don't think this alone will reliably resolve the issue.
– cr0
yesterday
1
See the duplicate questions at How can I make my cat less lethal? bell and collar have both safety and effective issues
– James Jenkins♦
20 hours ago
3
Cats can definitely remove their own collars, and a cat collar should always be a breakaway one to avoid strangulation. Cats can also get out of most harnesses, but they're not designed to break away and letting a cat loose with a harness is very dangerous for the cat.
– Allison C
17 hours ago
Our female cat could get out of a collar in about 10 minutes. We gave up trying very quickly...
– Nick C
14 hours ago
add a comment |
4
Speaking about this with vets it seems not that unusual for a cat to be able to break free from these things. We don't know how it happens, but I know that we've put different style collars on the cat and after a trip or two outside he comes back without it on. Same with two different types of harnesses, which really baffles me. I can understand slipping a collar off or breaking it somehow, but a harness?! Anyway, it is worth trying more, but I don't think this alone will reliably resolve the issue.
– cr0
yesterday
1
See the duplicate questions at How can I make my cat less lethal? bell and collar have both safety and effective issues
– James Jenkins♦
20 hours ago
3
Cats can definitely remove their own collars, and a cat collar should always be a breakaway one to avoid strangulation. Cats can also get out of most harnesses, but they're not designed to break away and letting a cat loose with a harness is very dangerous for the cat.
– Allison C
17 hours ago
Our female cat could get out of a collar in about 10 minutes. We gave up trying very quickly...
– Nick C
14 hours ago
4
4
Speaking about this with vets it seems not that unusual for a cat to be able to break free from these things. We don't know how it happens, but I know that we've put different style collars on the cat and after a trip or two outside he comes back without it on. Same with two different types of harnesses, which really baffles me. I can understand slipping a collar off or breaking it somehow, but a harness?! Anyway, it is worth trying more, but I don't think this alone will reliably resolve the issue.
– cr0
yesterday
Speaking about this with vets it seems not that unusual for a cat to be able to break free from these things. We don't know how it happens, but I know that we've put different style collars on the cat and after a trip or two outside he comes back without it on. Same with two different types of harnesses, which really baffles me. I can understand slipping a collar off or breaking it somehow, but a harness?! Anyway, it is worth trying more, but I don't think this alone will reliably resolve the issue.
– cr0
yesterday
1
1
See the duplicate questions at How can I make my cat less lethal? bell and collar have both safety and effective issues
– James Jenkins♦
20 hours ago
See the duplicate questions at How can I make my cat less lethal? bell and collar have both safety and effective issues
– James Jenkins♦
20 hours ago
3
3
Cats can definitely remove their own collars, and a cat collar should always be a breakaway one to avoid strangulation. Cats can also get out of most harnesses, but they're not designed to break away and letting a cat loose with a harness is very dangerous for the cat.
– Allison C
17 hours ago
Cats can definitely remove their own collars, and a cat collar should always be a breakaway one to avoid strangulation. Cats can also get out of most harnesses, but they're not designed to break away and letting a cat loose with a harness is very dangerous for the cat.
– Allison C
17 hours ago
Our female cat could get out of a collar in about 10 minutes. We gave up trying very quickly...
– Nick C
14 hours ago
Our female cat could get out of a collar in about 10 minutes. We gave up trying very quickly...
– Nick C
14 hours ago
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I see three possible options:
Attempt to enclose the garden somehow so that he doesn't have free reign in the bird sanctuary. You'd need pretty tall fences though...
Choose a different location.
Accept that he is, by nature, a hunter. You don't mention exactly how many years you've had him (and therefore, how old he is), but he'll get lazier as he gets older and won't bother going hunting when he knows his humans will do it for him...
Added age, we've had him for about 3 years. Those do seem like the options. He has gotten more docile over the years but he's also been in a more urban environment, so we worry all the new wildlife will set him off on a newfound sense of predation
– cr0
yesterday
1
So he's about 4 years old - right in his prime as a hunter! Ours are about 9, and the male only brought home 3 prey last summer - our female is already too lazy to hunt at all!
– Nick C
yesterday
1
I agree with the third point. besides he's neutered already. On the long run he wont be causing any harm. Like mating with other cats and have kittens.
– Hani Gotc
yesterday
1
even if cats get less acctive as they get older they do not stop hunting,i have had several 18 years old cats that did hunt a lot.
– trond hansen
14 hours ago
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I see three possible options:
Attempt to enclose the garden somehow so that he doesn't have free reign in the bird sanctuary. You'd need pretty tall fences though...
Choose a different location.
Accept that he is, by nature, a hunter. You don't mention exactly how many years you've had him (and therefore, how old he is), but he'll get lazier as he gets older and won't bother going hunting when he knows his humans will do it for him...
Added age, we've had him for about 3 years. Those do seem like the options. He has gotten more docile over the years but he's also been in a more urban environment, so we worry all the new wildlife will set him off on a newfound sense of predation
– cr0
yesterday
1
So he's about 4 years old - right in his prime as a hunter! Ours are about 9, and the male only brought home 3 prey last summer - our female is already too lazy to hunt at all!
– Nick C
yesterday
1
I agree with the third point. besides he's neutered already. On the long run he wont be causing any harm. Like mating with other cats and have kittens.
– Hani Gotc
yesterday
1
even if cats get less acctive as they get older they do not stop hunting,i have had several 18 years old cats that did hunt a lot.
– trond hansen
14 hours ago
add a comment |
I see three possible options:
Attempt to enclose the garden somehow so that he doesn't have free reign in the bird sanctuary. You'd need pretty tall fences though...
Choose a different location.
Accept that he is, by nature, a hunter. You don't mention exactly how many years you've had him (and therefore, how old he is), but he'll get lazier as he gets older and won't bother going hunting when he knows his humans will do it for him...
I see three possible options:
Attempt to enclose the garden somehow so that he doesn't have free reign in the bird sanctuary. You'd need pretty tall fences though...
Choose a different location.
Accept that he is, by nature, a hunter. You don't mention exactly how many years you've had him (and therefore, how old he is), but he'll get lazier as he gets older and won't bother going hunting when he knows his humans will do it for him...
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Nick CNick C
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Added age, we've had him for about 3 years. Those do seem like the options. He has gotten more docile over the years but he's also been in a more urban environment, so we worry all the new wildlife will set him off on a newfound sense of predation
– cr0
yesterday
1
So he's about 4 years old - right in his prime as a hunter! Ours are about 9, and the male only brought home 3 prey last summer - our female is already too lazy to hunt at all!
– Nick C
yesterday
1
I agree with the third point. besides he's neutered already. On the long run he wont be causing any harm. Like mating with other cats and have kittens.
– Hani Gotc
yesterday
1
even if cats get less acctive as they get older they do not stop hunting,i have had several 18 years old cats that did hunt a lot.
– trond hansen
14 hours ago
add a comment |
Added age, we've had him for about 3 years. Those do seem like the options. He has gotten more docile over the years but he's also been in a more urban environment, so we worry all the new wildlife will set him off on a newfound sense of predation
– cr0
yesterday
1
So he's about 4 years old - right in his prime as a hunter! Ours are about 9, and the male only brought home 3 prey last summer - our female is already too lazy to hunt at all!
– Nick C
yesterday
1
I agree with the third point. besides he's neutered already. On the long run he wont be causing any harm. Like mating with other cats and have kittens.
– Hani Gotc
yesterday
1
even if cats get less acctive as they get older they do not stop hunting,i have had several 18 years old cats that did hunt a lot.
– trond hansen
14 hours ago
Added age, we've had him for about 3 years. Those do seem like the options. He has gotten more docile over the years but he's also been in a more urban environment, so we worry all the new wildlife will set him off on a newfound sense of predation
– cr0
yesterday
Added age, we've had him for about 3 years. Those do seem like the options. He has gotten more docile over the years but he's also been in a more urban environment, so we worry all the new wildlife will set him off on a newfound sense of predation
– cr0
yesterday
1
1
So he's about 4 years old - right in his prime as a hunter! Ours are about 9, and the male only brought home 3 prey last summer - our female is already too lazy to hunt at all!
– Nick C
yesterday
So he's about 4 years old - right in his prime as a hunter! Ours are about 9, and the male only brought home 3 prey last summer - our female is already too lazy to hunt at all!
– Nick C
yesterday
1
1
I agree with the third point. besides he's neutered already. On the long run he wont be causing any harm. Like mating with other cats and have kittens.
– Hani Gotc
yesterday
I agree with the third point. besides he's neutered already. On the long run he wont be causing any harm. Like mating with other cats and have kittens.
– Hani Gotc
yesterday
1
1
even if cats get less acctive as they get older they do not stop hunting,i have had several 18 years old cats that did hunt a lot.
– trond hansen
14 hours ago
even if cats get less acctive as they get older they do not stop hunting,i have had several 18 years old cats that did hunt a lot.
– trond hansen
14 hours ago
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I would encourage you to keep trying things, even if they don't seem to work or have not worked in the past.
As others have suggested, try various things to make indoors more appealing, so he has less of an urge to venture outdoors.
Play with him. A lot. No, even more than that. Give him an outlet for all that energy.
If he's really food motivated, it should be possible to train him to accept a collar eventually - just keep at it! And once you do, the right collar can really help out Team Bird. That article cites a small study where a brightly colored collar appeared to reduce Team Cat's kill count by 54%, and the current website for a company that sells such collars cites a study that claims 87%.
Even an 87% reduction is still only a reduction, and not an elimination, however. The only surefire method to completely prevent bird killings by your cat appears to be keeping him indoors.
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The 87% figure seems to be sourced to sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2351989415000050. Anyway, I'll certainly buy 54%, and I suppose 87% just might be plausible with a really high-visibility collar. But note that even a 90% reduction in lethality still just means that the cat needs to try again 10 times on average before catching their feathery snack. It's a lot better than nothing, but I still wouldn't want to let even a 10% effective cat loose in a bird sanctuary. Especially since even failed hunting attempts can still disturb the birds.
– Ilmari Karonen
16 hours ago
@Ilmari Thank you, edited to note that.
– ap55
9 hours ago
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I would encourage you to keep trying things, even if they don't seem to work or have not worked in the past.
As others have suggested, try various things to make indoors more appealing, so he has less of an urge to venture outdoors.
Play with him. A lot. No, even more than that. Give him an outlet for all that energy.
If he's really food motivated, it should be possible to train him to accept a collar eventually - just keep at it! And once you do, the right collar can really help out Team Bird. That article cites a small study where a brightly colored collar appeared to reduce Team Cat's kill count by 54%, and the current website for a company that sells such collars cites a study that claims 87%.
Even an 87% reduction is still only a reduction, and not an elimination, however. The only surefire method to completely prevent bird killings by your cat appears to be keeping him indoors.
New contributor
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The 87% figure seems to be sourced to sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2351989415000050. Anyway, I'll certainly buy 54%, and I suppose 87% just might be plausible with a really high-visibility collar. But note that even a 90% reduction in lethality still just means that the cat needs to try again 10 times on average before catching their feathery snack. It's a lot better than nothing, but I still wouldn't want to let even a 10% effective cat loose in a bird sanctuary. Especially since even failed hunting attempts can still disturb the birds.
– Ilmari Karonen
16 hours ago
@Ilmari Thank you, edited to note that.
– ap55
9 hours ago
add a comment |
I would encourage you to keep trying things, even if they don't seem to work or have not worked in the past.
As others have suggested, try various things to make indoors more appealing, so he has less of an urge to venture outdoors.
Play with him. A lot. No, even more than that. Give him an outlet for all that energy.
If he's really food motivated, it should be possible to train him to accept a collar eventually - just keep at it! And once you do, the right collar can really help out Team Bird. That article cites a small study where a brightly colored collar appeared to reduce Team Cat's kill count by 54%, and the current website for a company that sells such collars cites a study that claims 87%.
Even an 87% reduction is still only a reduction, and not an elimination, however. The only surefire method to completely prevent bird killings by your cat appears to be keeping him indoors.
New contributor
I would encourage you to keep trying things, even if they don't seem to work or have not worked in the past.
As others have suggested, try various things to make indoors more appealing, so he has less of an urge to venture outdoors.
Play with him. A lot. No, even more than that. Give him an outlet for all that energy.
If he's really food motivated, it should be possible to train him to accept a collar eventually - just keep at it! And once you do, the right collar can really help out Team Bird. That article cites a small study where a brightly colored collar appeared to reduce Team Cat's kill count by 54%, and the current website for a company that sells such collars cites a study that claims 87%.
Even an 87% reduction is still only a reduction, and not an elimination, however. The only surefire method to completely prevent bird killings by your cat appears to be keeping him indoors.
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The 87% figure seems to be sourced to sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2351989415000050. Anyway, I'll certainly buy 54%, and I suppose 87% just might be plausible with a really high-visibility collar. But note that even a 90% reduction in lethality still just means that the cat needs to try again 10 times on average before catching their feathery snack. It's a lot better than nothing, but I still wouldn't want to let even a 10% effective cat loose in a bird sanctuary. Especially since even failed hunting attempts can still disturb the birds.
– Ilmari Karonen
16 hours ago
@Ilmari Thank you, edited to note that.
– ap55
9 hours ago
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The 87% figure seems to be sourced to sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2351989415000050. Anyway, I'll certainly buy 54%, and I suppose 87% just might be plausible with a really high-visibility collar. But note that even a 90% reduction in lethality still just means that the cat needs to try again 10 times on average before catching their feathery snack. It's a lot better than nothing, but I still wouldn't want to let even a 10% effective cat loose in a bird sanctuary. Especially since even failed hunting attempts can still disturb the birds.
– Ilmari Karonen
16 hours ago
@Ilmari Thank you, edited to note that.
– ap55
9 hours ago
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The 87% figure seems to be sourced to sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2351989415000050. Anyway, I'll certainly buy 54%, and I suppose 87% just might be plausible with a really high-visibility collar. But note that even a 90% reduction in lethality still just means that the cat needs to try again 10 times on average before catching their feathery snack. It's a lot better than nothing, but I still wouldn't want to let even a 10% effective cat loose in a bird sanctuary. Especially since even failed hunting attempts can still disturb the birds.
– Ilmari Karonen
16 hours ago
The 87% figure seems to be sourced to sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2351989415000050. Anyway, I'll certainly buy 54%, and I suppose 87% just might be plausible with a really high-visibility collar. But note that even a 90% reduction in lethality still just means that the cat needs to try again 10 times on average before catching their feathery snack. It's a lot better than nothing, but I still wouldn't want to let even a 10% effective cat loose in a bird sanctuary. Especially since even failed hunting attempts can still disturb the birds.
– Ilmari Karonen
16 hours ago
@Ilmari Thank you, edited to note that.
– ap55
9 hours ago
@Ilmari Thank you, edited to note that.
– ap55
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I do disagree with most answers posted so far, because:
Cats are natural predators who should have lot of physical exercise.
Locking a cat into an apartment/house in my opinion is animal abuse,
especially if the cat was/is used to be a free roaming cat most of it's life.
Cats aren't the smartest beings but imagine being locked into the same few sq. meters for the rest of your life. That's torture.
I would try different types of collars, especially ones with flashy colors.
But be sure that he does not choke himself while trying to get rid of it.
Try feeding him more because the amount a cat hunts and/or how far away from it's sleeping spot a cat walks is directly correlated to how much food they have.
Nevertheless cats do hunt for fun so that will reduce but not stop cats from killing birds.
I would just see how many birds your cat brings and if he brings so many that you think it is a endangering a whole ecosystem then I would take action.
A single cat is unlikely to kill a sufficient amount of birds that the purpose of a bird sanctuary isn't fulfilled anymore.
Additionally I do want to add, nevertheless I think cats should roam freely, that you do check whether it is even legal for you to have your cat outside if it's a proper nature-sanctuary because dogs are usually not allowed to walk freely in those areas.
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"He will probably not kill as much if you up the difficulty level" is hardly a worthy answer, let alone a serious one. Cats are known to be a major problem to birds, killing somewhere between 1.4 to 3.7 billion of them annually. Stating that just one more will not make a notable difference means you're part of the problem.
– Chavez
15 hours ago
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I do disagree with most answers posted so far, because:
Cats are natural predators who should have lot of physical exercise.
Locking a cat into an apartment/house in my opinion is animal abuse,
especially if the cat was/is used to be a free roaming cat most of it's life.
Cats aren't the smartest beings but imagine being locked into the same few sq. meters for the rest of your life. That's torture.
I would try different types of collars, especially ones with flashy colors.
But be sure that he does not choke himself while trying to get rid of it.
Try feeding him more because the amount a cat hunts and/or how far away from it's sleeping spot a cat walks is directly correlated to how much food they have.
Nevertheless cats do hunt for fun so that will reduce but not stop cats from killing birds.
I would just see how many birds your cat brings and if he brings so many that you think it is a endangering a whole ecosystem then I would take action.
A single cat is unlikely to kill a sufficient amount of birds that the purpose of a bird sanctuary isn't fulfilled anymore.
Additionally I do want to add, nevertheless I think cats should roam freely, that you do check whether it is even legal for you to have your cat outside if it's a proper nature-sanctuary because dogs are usually not allowed to walk freely in those areas.
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"He will probably not kill as much if you up the difficulty level" is hardly a worthy answer, let alone a serious one. Cats are known to be a major problem to birds, killing somewhere between 1.4 to 3.7 billion of them annually. Stating that just one more will not make a notable difference means you're part of the problem.
– Chavez
15 hours ago
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I do disagree with most answers posted so far, because:
Cats are natural predators who should have lot of physical exercise.
Locking a cat into an apartment/house in my opinion is animal abuse,
especially if the cat was/is used to be a free roaming cat most of it's life.
Cats aren't the smartest beings but imagine being locked into the same few sq. meters for the rest of your life. That's torture.
I would try different types of collars, especially ones with flashy colors.
But be sure that he does not choke himself while trying to get rid of it.
Try feeding him more because the amount a cat hunts and/or how far away from it's sleeping spot a cat walks is directly correlated to how much food they have.
Nevertheless cats do hunt for fun so that will reduce but not stop cats from killing birds.
I would just see how many birds your cat brings and if he brings so many that you think it is a endangering a whole ecosystem then I would take action.
A single cat is unlikely to kill a sufficient amount of birds that the purpose of a bird sanctuary isn't fulfilled anymore.
Additionally I do want to add, nevertheless I think cats should roam freely, that you do check whether it is even legal for you to have your cat outside if it's a proper nature-sanctuary because dogs are usually not allowed to walk freely in those areas.
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I do disagree with most answers posted so far, because:
Cats are natural predators who should have lot of physical exercise.
Locking a cat into an apartment/house in my opinion is animal abuse,
especially if the cat was/is used to be a free roaming cat most of it's life.
Cats aren't the smartest beings but imagine being locked into the same few sq. meters for the rest of your life. That's torture.
I would try different types of collars, especially ones with flashy colors.
But be sure that he does not choke himself while trying to get rid of it.
Try feeding him more because the amount a cat hunts and/or how far away from it's sleeping spot a cat walks is directly correlated to how much food they have.
Nevertheless cats do hunt for fun so that will reduce but not stop cats from killing birds.
I would just see how many birds your cat brings and if he brings so many that you think it is a endangering a whole ecosystem then I would take action.
A single cat is unlikely to kill a sufficient amount of birds that the purpose of a bird sanctuary isn't fulfilled anymore.
Additionally I do want to add, nevertheless I think cats should roam freely, that you do check whether it is even legal for you to have your cat outside if it's a proper nature-sanctuary because dogs are usually not allowed to walk freely in those areas.
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"He will probably not kill as much if you up the difficulty level" is hardly a worthy answer, let alone a serious one. Cats are known to be a major problem to birds, killing somewhere between 1.4 to 3.7 billion of them annually. Stating that just one more will not make a notable difference means you're part of the problem.
– Chavez
15 hours ago
add a comment |
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"He will probably not kill as much if you up the difficulty level" is hardly a worthy answer, let alone a serious one. Cats are known to be a major problem to birds, killing somewhere between 1.4 to 3.7 billion of them annually. Stating that just one more will not make a notable difference means you're part of the problem.
– Chavez
15 hours ago
2
2
"He will probably not kill as much if you up the difficulty level" is hardly a worthy answer, let alone a serious one. Cats are known to be a major problem to birds, killing somewhere between 1.4 to 3.7 billion of them annually. Stating that just one more will not make a notable difference means you're part of the problem.
– Chavez
15 hours ago
"He will probably not kill as much if you up the difficulty level" is hardly a worthy answer, let alone a serious one. Cats are known to be a major problem to birds, killing somewhere between 1.4 to 3.7 billion of them annually. Stating that just one more will not make a notable difference means you're part of the problem.
– Chavez
15 hours ago
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I adopted two cats from a shelter almost 9 years ago. They are sisters. So I was told: Russian Blue and Main Coon :-) They were about one year old and would do anything just to get outside: my backyard is on a city border, facing a farmed field and a small wood. Almost every day for the next four summers the sisters were catching mice in the field and releasing in the house. I became a third cat doing just the opposite. A bird was a quite rare catch: two-three in a summer. Half of them alive: just open all doors and windows. I notice with delight at the fifth summer that the cats started to spend more time indoors. Last summer was only three mice and no birds. Nothing this year so far. They are adults now. Caught almost all what possible to carry: mice different kind, birds, snakes, lizards, and once a rabbit. The rabbit did not look wild, so I asked the neighbors and we found the owner. Female cats may have the biggest agenda imprinted in them when they hunt: bring it to the kitten and teach how to catch.
Once I had for two weeks a loosely-domesticated cat. He was sneaking through a cat door in cold January nights and eating what had left. I saw him outside and feed once, then more, invited in the house. He was more afraid of me inside and did not become any more domesticated with the time. I opened the door and he did not think twice. He must be a good hunter - I saw him regularly checking outskirts, but he did not bring anything to me to show.
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I adopted two cats from a shelter almost 9 years ago. They are sisters. So I was told: Russian Blue and Main Coon :-) They were about one year old and would do anything just to get outside: my backyard is on a city border, facing a farmed field and a small wood. Almost every day for the next four summers the sisters were catching mice in the field and releasing in the house. I became a third cat doing just the opposite. A bird was a quite rare catch: two-three in a summer. Half of them alive: just open all doors and windows. I notice with delight at the fifth summer that the cats started to spend more time indoors. Last summer was only three mice and no birds. Nothing this year so far. They are adults now. Caught almost all what possible to carry: mice different kind, birds, snakes, lizards, and once a rabbit. The rabbit did not look wild, so I asked the neighbors and we found the owner. Female cats may have the biggest agenda imprinted in them when they hunt: bring it to the kitten and teach how to catch.
Once I had for two weeks a loosely-domesticated cat. He was sneaking through a cat door in cold January nights and eating what had left. I saw him outside and feed once, then more, invited in the house. He was more afraid of me inside and did not become any more domesticated with the time. I opened the door and he did not think twice. He must be a good hunter - I saw him regularly checking outskirts, but he did not bring anything to me to show.
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I adopted two cats from a shelter almost 9 years ago. They are sisters. So I was told: Russian Blue and Main Coon :-) They were about one year old and would do anything just to get outside: my backyard is on a city border, facing a farmed field and a small wood. Almost every day for the next four summers the sisters were catching mice in the field and releasing in the house. I became a third cat doing just the opposite. A bird was a quite rare catch: two-three in a summer. Half of them alive: just open all doors and windows. I notice with delight at the fifth summer that the cats started to spend more time indoors. Last summer was only three mice and no birds. Nothing this year so far. They are adults now. Caught almost all what possible to carry: mice different kind, birds, snakes, lizards, and once a rabbit. The rabbit did not look wild, so I asked the neighbors and we found the owner. Female cats may have the biggest agenda imprinted in them when they hunt: bring it to the kitten and teach how to catch.
Once I had for two weeks a loosely-domesticated cat. He was sneaking through a cat door in cold January nights and eating what had left. I saw him outside and feed once, then more, invited in the house. He was more afraid of me inside and did not become any more domesticated with the time. I opened the door and he did not think twice. He must be a good hunter - I saw him regularly checking outskirts, but he did not bring anything to me to show.
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I adopted two cats from a shelter almost 9 years ago. They are sisters. So I was told: Russian Blue and Main Coon :-) They were about one year old and would do anything just to get outside: my backyard is on a city border, facing a farmed field and a small wood. Almost every day for the next four summers the sisters were catching mice in the field and releasing in the house. I became a third cat doing just the opposite. A bird was a quite rare catch: two-three in a summer. Half of them alive: just open all doors and windows. I notice with delight at the fifth summer that the cats started to spend more time indoors. Last summer was only three mice and no birds. Nothing this year so far. They are adults now. Caught almost all what possible to carry: mice different kind, birds, snakes, lizards, and once a rabbit. The rabbit did not look wild, so I asked the neighbors and we found the owner. Female cats may have the biggest agenda imprinted in them when they hunt: bring it to the kitten and teach how to catch.
Once I had for two weeks a loosely-domesticated cat. He was sneaking through a cat door in cold January nights and eating what had left. I saw him outside and feed once, then more, invited in the house. He was more afraid of me inside and did not become any more domesticated with the time. I opened the door and he did not think twice. He must be a good hunter - I saw him regularly checking outskirts, but he did not bring anything to me to show.
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as long as one can see your cat hunting birds. it's ok. The problem starts when few of them are left LOL. I think your background story is really cool. I guess he's a very cute and lovely cat. good luck
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energetic young cat that hunts as cats do =/= feral cat. A feral cat is a legitimately wild animal, and can no more be picked up or handled than a bobcat, lynx, etc. Your cat's just being a prey-driven young male cat with loose boundaries, he's not feral or "semi-feral" at all.
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Make sure that you have lots of toys and high places in your house for your cat to play with and climb on. This will be especially important if you decide to make him an indoors-only cat.
– Kevin
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Have you seen that cat's behavior around birds? I have heard that male cats are rarely interested in hunting, and indeed, when I lived in a house with a male and female cat with lots of birdlife, it was always the female who brought dead birds to the doorstep.
– rumtscho
18 hours ago
@rumtscho yes, I've seen 2 sparrows he's brought home dead int eh past, he does cat chattering when watching birds out the window, and I saw him try to climb into a bush to catch a bird once which he probably would've succeeded had I not chased him away. That said, the 2 birds he brought home is in comparison with dozens of mammals (mice, chipmunks, bats) he's killed or maimed, so birds haven't been his main target so far. We also live in a somewhat urban place now, and I don't know how he'll react to living in a forested rural place.
– cr0
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