Could Sinn Fein swing any Brexit vote in Parliament?
Half-informed American here so I apologize if this seems like a naive question on British politics.
Given the strong preference of many in Ireland to avoid a hard border between the Republic of Ireland and the UK, would the votes of the Sinn Fein make any difference in the outcomes of these very narrow votes in Parliament?
Of course any single vote could swing something; I am asking are the votes close enough on these issues that seven votes would make a difference on a resolution that the Sinn Fein would care about.
(I appreciate that taking a seat in Parliament would involve taking oath. I thought that the stakes might make it worthwhile.)
Edit update: I am not asking if they would vote for or against the current government and I appreciate participation in Parliament would rankle an SF member. However, if that participation could make the difference in a decision that will (1) have consequences for decades to come and (2) have an effect on both NI and the Republic of Ireland - could they and would they make a difference?
brexit northern-ireland
asked 7 hours ago
Kieran MullenKieran Mullen
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Half-informed American here so I apologize if this seems like a naive question on British politics.
Given the strong preference of many in Ireland to avoid a hard border between the Republic of Ireland and the UK, would the votes of the Sinn Fein make any difference in the outcomes of these very narrow votes in Parliament?
Of course any single vote could swing something; I am asking are the votes close enough on these issues that seven votes would make a difference on a resolution that the Sinn Fein would care about.
(I appreciate that taking a seat in Parliament would involve taking oath. I thought that the stakes might make it worthwhile.)
Edit update: I am not asking if they would vote for or against the current government and I appreciate participation in Parliament would rankle an SF member. However, if that participation could make the difference in a decision that will (1) have consequences for decades to come and (2) have an effect on both NI and the Republic of Ireland - could they and would they make a difference?
brexit northern-ireland
asked 7 hours ago
Kieran MullenKieran Mullen
1764
Not really an answer, but I think they might have their sight set on a United Ireland, which can be achieved by having no-deal, (the prospect of) trouble at the border and a vote on Irish unification.
– JJJ
6 hours ago
You mean, the Sinn Fein should take their seats in Parliament on the off chance that the third meaningful vote will be defeated by a 7 votes or less?
– Abigail
6 hours ago
Possible duplicate of Can Sinn Fein join a minority coalition in a no-confidence vote? and see also why don't sinn fein take their seats in the uk parliament
– James K
3 hours ago
I see the potential for duplication, but I've heard this question asked elsewhere regarding Sinn Fein and this specific vote. Leaving open.
– Rupert Morrish
1 hour ago
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Half-informed American here so I apologize if this seems like a naive question on British politics.
Given the strong preference of many in Ireland to avoid a hard border between the Republic of Ireland and the UK, would the votes of the Sinn Fein make any difference in the outcomes of these very narrow votes in Parliament?
Of course any single vote could swing something; I am asking are the votes close enough on these issues that seven votes would make a difference on a resolution that the Sinn Fein would care about.
(I appreciate that taking a seat in Parliament would involve taking oath. I thought that the stakes might make it worthwhile.)
Edit update: I am not asking if they would vote for or against the current government and I appreciate participation in Parliament would rankle an SF member. However, if that participation could make the difference in a decision that will (1) have consequences for decades to come and (2) have an effect on both NI and the Republic of Ireland - could they and would they make a difference?
brexit northern-ireland
asked 7 hours ago
Kieran MullenKieran Mullen
1764
Half-informed American here so I apologize if this seems like a naive question on British politics.
Given the strong preference of many in Ireland to avoid a hard border between the Republic of Ireland and the UK, would the votes of the Sinn Fein make any difference in the outcomes of these very narrow votes in Parliament?
Of course any single vote could swing something; I am asking are the votes close enough on these issues that seven votes would make a difference on a resolution that the Sinn Fein would care about.
(I appreciate that taking a seat in Parliament would involve taking oath. I thought that the stakes might make it worthwhile.)
Edit update: I am not asking if they would vote for or against the current government and I appreciate participation in Parliament would rankle an SF member. However, if that participation could make the difference in a decision that will (1) have consequences for decades to come and (2) have an effect on both NI and the Republic of Ireland - could they and would they make a difference?
brexit northern-ireland
brexit northern-ireland
asked 7 hours ago
Kieran MullenKieran Mullen
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Kieran Mullen
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Not really an answer, but I think they might have their sight set on a United Ireland, which can be achieved by having no-deal, (the prospect of) trouble at the border and a vote on Irish unification.
– JJJ
6 hours ago
You mean, the Sinn Fein should take their seats in Parliament on the off chance that the third meaningful vote will be defeated by a 7 votes or less?
– Abigail
6 hours ago
Possible duplicate of Can Sinn Fein join a minority coalition in a no-confidence vote? and see also why don't sinn fein take their seats in the uk parliament
– James K
3 hours ago
I see the potential for duplication, but I've heard this question asked elsewhere regarding Sinn Fein and this specific vote. Leaving open.
– Rupert Morrish
1 hour ago
add a comment |
Not really an answer, but I think they might have their sight set on a United Ireland, which can be achieved by having no-deal, (the prospect of) trouble at the border and a vote on Irish unification.
– JJJ
6 hours ago
You mean, the Sinn Fein should take their seats in Parliament on the off chance that the third meaningful vote will be defeated by a 7 votes or less?
– Abigail
6 hours ago
Possible duplicate of Can Sinn Fein join a minority coalition in a no-confidence vote? and see also why don't sinn fein take their seats in the uk parliament
– James K
3 hours ago
I see the potential for duplication, but I've heard this question asked elsewhere regarding Sinn Fein and this specific vote. Leaving open.
– Rupert Morrish
1 hour ago
Not really an answer, but I think they might have their sight set on a United Ireland, which can be achieved by having no-deal, (the prospect of) trouble at the border and a vote on Irish unification.
– JJJ
6 hours ago
Not really an answer, but I think they might have their sight set on a United Ireland, which can be achieved by having no-deal, (the prospect of) trouble at the border and a vote on Irish unification.
– JJJ
6 hours ago
You mean, the Sinn Fein should take their seats in Parliament on the off chance that the third meaningful vote will be defeated by a 7 votes or less?
– Abigail
6 hours ago
You mean, the Sinn Fein should take their seats in Parliament on the off chance that the third meaningful vote will be defeated by a 7 votes or less?
– Abigail
6 hours ago
Possible duplicate of Can Sinn Fein join a minority coalition in a no-confidence vote? and see also why don't sinn fein take their seats in the uk parliament
– James K
3 hours ago
Possible duplicate of Can Sinn Fein join a minority coalition in a no-confidence vote? and see also why don't sinn fein take their seats in the uk parliament
– James K
3 hours ago
I see the potential for duplication, but I've heard this question asked elsewhere regarding Sinn Fein and this specific vote. Leaving open.
– Rupert Morrish
1 hour ago
I see the potential for duplication, but I've heard this question asked elsewhere regarding Sinn Fein and this specific vote. Leaving open.
– Rupert Morrish
1 hour ago
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Sinn Fein's purpose is a united Ireland. They don't regard British rule over Northern Ireland as legitimate, and swearing the Oath of Allegiance would be anathema to them. They'd be no more willing to do it than members of ISIS would be to swear allegiance to the USA. They are very serious about their motives, and do not want to be seen as cynical politicians.
They have no reason to support the May Deal. A no-deal Brexit would enable them to blame the effects on Northern Ireland on the British and the DUP, which could incline some of the population of NI towards voting for Sinn Fein and a united Ireland.
answered 2 hours ago
John DallmanJohn Dallman
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For all I know, Sinn Fein could take seven seats in the UK parliament, but they don't. I think the background is that to become an MP, you have to swear your support for the UK or something like that, and they just won't do that. No chance. Not going to happen. Ever. So Sinn Fein could vote in the UK parliament, but they never, ever will.
(Admittedly, never is a very long time)
answered 4 hours ago
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Sinn Fein's purpose is a united Ireland. They don't regard British rule over Northern Ireland as legitimate, and swearing the Oath of Allegiance would be anathema to them. They'd be no more willing to do it than members of ISIS would be to swear allegiance to the USA. They are very serious about their motives, and do not want to be seen as cynical politicians.
They have no reason to support the May Deal. A no-deal Brexit would enable them to blame the effects on Northern Ireland on the British and the DUP, which could incline some of the population of NI towards voting for Sinn Fein and a united Ireland.
answered 2 hours ago
John DallmanJohn Dallman
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Sinn Fein's purpose is a united Ireland. They don't regard British rule over Northern Ireland as legitimate, and swearing the Oath of Allegiance would be anathema to them. They'd be no more willing to do it than members of ISIS would be to swear allegiance to the USA. They are very serious about their motives, and do not want to be seen as cynical politicians.
They have no reason to support the May Deal. A no-deal Brexit would enable them to blame the effects on Northern Ireland on the British and the DUP, which could incline some of the population of NI towards voting for Sinn Fein and a united Ireland.
answered 2 hours ago
John DallmanJohn Dallman
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Sinn Fein's purpose is a united Ireland. They don't regard British rule over Northern Ireland as legitimate, and swearing the Oath of Allegiance would be anathema to them. They'd be no more willing to do it than members of ISIS would be to swear allegiance to the USA. They are very serious about their motives, and do not want to be seen as cynical politicians.
They have no reason to support the May Deal. A no-deal Brexit would enable them to blame the effects on Northern Ireland on the British and the DUP, which could incline some of the population of NI towards voting for Sinn Fein and a united Ireland.
answered 2 hours ago
John DallmanJohn Dallman
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Sinn Fein's purpose is a united Ireland. They don't regard British rule over Northern Ireland as legitimate, and swearing the Oath of Allegiance would be anathema to them. They'd be no more willing to do it than members of ISIS would be to swear allegiance to the USA. They are very serious about their motives, and do not want to be seen as cynical politicians.
They have no reason to support the May Deal. A no-deal Brexit would enable them to blame the effects on Northern Ireland on the British and the DUP, which could incline some of the population of NI towards voting for Sinn Fein and a united Ireland.
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John DallmanJohn Dallman
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For all I know, Sinn Fein could take seven seats in the UK parliament, but they don't. I think the background is that to become an MP, you have to swear your support for the UK or something like that, and they just won't do that. No chance. Not going to happen. Ever. So Sinn Fein could vote in the UK parliament, but they never, ever will.
(Admittedly, never is a very long time)
answered 4 hours ago
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For all I know, Sinn Fein could take seven seats in the UK parliament, but they don't. I think the background is that to become an MP, you have to swear your support for the UK or something like that, and they just won't do that. No chance. Not going to happen. Ever. So Sinn Fein could vote in the UK parliament, but they never, ever will.
(Admittedly, never is a very long time)
answered 4 hours ago
gnasher729gnasher729
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For all I know, Sinn Fein could take seven seats in the UK parliament, but they don't. I think the background is that to become an MP, you have to swear your support for the UK or something like that, and they just won't do that. No chance. Not going to happen. Ever. So Sinn Fein could vote in the UK parliament, but they never, ever will.
(Admittedly, never is a very long time)
answered 4 hours ago
gnasher729gnasher729
1,750415
For all I know, Sinn Fein could take seven seats in the UK parliament, but they don't. I think the background is that to become an MP, you have to swear your support for the UK or something like that, and they just won't do that. No chance. Not going to happen. Ever. So Sinn Fein could vote in the UK parliament, but they never, ever will.
(Admittedly, never is a very long time)
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Not really an answer, but I think they might have their sight set on a United Ireland, which can be achieved by having no-deal, (the prospect of) trouble at the border and a vote on Irish unification.
– JJJ
6 hours ago
You mean, the Sinn Fein should take their seats in Parliament on the off chance that the third meaningful vote will be defeated by a 7 votes or less?
– Abigail
6 hours ago
Possible duplicate of Can Sinn Fein join a minority coalition in a no-confidence vote? and see also why don't sinn fein take their seats in the uk parliament
– James K
3 hours ago
I see the potential for duplication, but I've heard this question asked elsewhere regarding Sinn Fein and this specific vote. Leaving open.
– Rupert Morrish
1 hour ago