Explanatory vs Exploratory evidence in legal proceedings
In academia, there is an important distinction between exploratory analyses of data and confirmatory analyses. Careers have been ruined by researchers passing off the one as the other.
Since the gathering and introduction of evidence in legal proceedings is quite similar to the procedure in scientific circles, I was wondering if there are rules and procedures to safeguard against potential abuse (deliberate or accidental) of exploratory evidence.
Consider, for example, Alice, who is picked up due to a separate investigation of her drug dealer whose phone contained drug-related texts to Alice.
Her phone is confiscated, and its contents dredged for signs of anything and everything.
The phone is found to contain illegal pornographic content.
Questioning of friends and relatives reveal that they have a suspicion that Alice might be involved in the creation of illegal pornographic content.
Contrast this with Bob, whose friends and relatives approach police with a suspicion that Bob might be involved in the creation of illegal pornographic content.
Bob is arrested and his phone is searched for the illegal content hypothesized by his friends and family, which is found to reside on Bob's phone.
In both scenarios, the evidence against Alice and Bob is ostensibly identical with the single exception that the evidence against Bob is confirmatory.
Thus, although the situation looks grim for both, we conclude that the evidence against Bob is significantly stronger than the case against Alice.
Would anyone be inclined to press such a distinction in court proceedings?
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In academia, there is an important distinction between exploratory analyses of data and confirmatory analyses. Careers have been ruined by researchers passing off the one as the other.
Since the gathering and introduction of evidence in legal proceedings is quite similar to the procedure in scientific circles, I was wondering if there are rules and procedures to safeguard against potential abuse (deliberate or accidental) of exploratory evidence.
Consider, for example, Alice, who is picked up due to a separate investigation of her drug dealer whose phone contained drug-related texts to Alice.
Her phone is confiscated, and its contents dredged for signs of anything and everything.
The phone is found to contain illegal pornographic content.
Questioning of friends and relatives reveal that they have a suspicion that Alice might be involved in the creation of illegal pornographic content.
Contrast this with Bob, whose friends and relatives approach police with a suspicion that Bob might be involved in the creation of illegal pornographic content.
Bob is arrested and his phone is searched for the illegal content hypothesized by his friends and family, which is found to reside on Bob's phone.
In both scenarios, the evidence against Alice and Bob is ostensibly identical with the single exception that the evidence against Bob is confirmatory.
Thus, although the situation looks grim for both, we conclude that the evidence against Bob is significantly stronger than the case against Alice.
Would anyone be inclined to press such a distinction in court proceedings?
rules-of-evidence
I think court proceedings would center around the legality of searching somebody's phone stemming from a jaywalking charge. I know that isn't what you are asking though... What country are you asking about? I can see something like that being legal in China, but not in the US...
– Ron Beyer
5 hours ago
Sorry, as I am not a legal scholar, I am unfamiliar with existing rules of evidence. I will edit the question to suggest a charge that would warrant a phone search.
– Scott
5 hours ago
Is a succinct version of the question - Is evidence of crime A obtained in a legal search regarding crime A any stronger than evidence of crime B inadvertently obtained in a legal search regarding crime A?
– George White
4 hours ago
@GeorgeWhite, No. The fact of the matter is that evidence of crime A obtained in a legal search regarding crime A IS stronger than evidence of crime A inadvertently obtained in a legal search regarding crime B. My question is whether any accounting of this fact is generally made in court proceedings?
– Scott
4 hours ago
@Scott, your assumption that strength of evidence relates to the rationale for asking the question is not a fact, it's an ideological stance taken by some but not all philosophers of science. I think that kind of issue is best pursued on Philosophy SE.
– user6726
39 mins ago
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In academia, there is an important distinction between exploratory analyses of data and confirmatory analyses. Careers have been ruined by researchers passing off the one as the other.
Since the gathering and introduction of evidence in legal proceedings is quite similar to the procedure in scientific circles, I was wondering if there are rules and procedures to safeguard against potential abuse (deliberate or accidental) of exploratory evidence.
Consider, for example, Alice, who is picked up due to a separate investigation of her drug dealer whose phone contained drug-related texts to Alice.
Her phone is confiscated, and its contents dredged for signs of anything and everything.
The phone is found to contain illegal pornographic content.
Questioning of friends and relatives reveal that they have a suspicion that Alice might be involved in the creation of illegal pornographic content.
Contrast this with Bob, whose friends and relatives approach police with a suspicion that Bob might be involved in the creation of illegal pornographic content.
Bob is arrested and his phone is searched for the illegal content hypothesized by his friends and family, which is found to reside on Bob's phone.
In both scenarios, the evidence against Alice and Bob is ostensibly identical with the single exception that the evidence against Bob is confirmatory.
Thus, although the situation looks grim for both, we conclude that the evidence against Bob is significantly stronger than the case against Alice.
Would anyone be inclined to press such a distinction in court proceedings?
rules-of-evidence
In academia, there is an important distinction between exploratory analyses of data and confirmatory analyses. Careers have been ruined by researchers passing off the one as the other.
Since the gathering and introduction of evidence in legal proceedings is quite similar to the procedure in scientific circles, I was wondering if there are rules and procedures to safeguard against potential abuse (deliberate or accidental) of exploratory evidence.
Consider, for example, Alice, who is picked up due to a separate investigation of her drug dealer whose phone contained drug-related texts to Alice.
Her phone is confiscated, and its contents dredged for signs of anything and everything.
The phone is found to contain illegal pornographic content.
Questioning of friends and relatives reveal that they have a suspicion that Alice might be involved in the creation of illegal pornographic content.
Contrast this with Bob, whose friends and relatives approach police with a suspicion that Bob might be involved in the creation of illegal pornographic content.
Bob is arrested and his phone is searched for the illegal content hypothesized by his friends and family, which is found to reside on Bob's phone.
In both scenarios, the evidence against Alice and Bob is ostensibly identical with the single exception that the evidence against Bob is confirmatory.
Thus, although the situation looks grim for both, we conclude that the evidence against Bob is significantly stronger than the case against Alice.
Would anyone be inclined to press such a distinction in court proceedings?
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I think court proceedings would center around the legality of searching somebody's phone stemming from a jaywalking charge. I know that isn't what you are asking though... What country are you asking about? I can see something like that being legal in China, but not in the US...
– Ron Beyer
5 hours ago
Sorry, as I am not a legal scholar, I am unfamiliar with existing rules of evidence. I will edit the question to suggest a charge that would warrant a phone search.
– Scott
5 hours ago
Is a succinct version of the question - Is evidence of crime A obtained in a legal search regarding crime A any stronger than evidence of crime B inadvertently obtained in a legal search regarding crime A?
– George White
4 hours ago
@GeorgeWhite, No. The fact of the matter is that evidence of crime A obtained in a legal search regarding crime A IS stronger than evidence of crime A inadvertently obtained in a legal search regarding crime B. My question is whether any accounting of this fact is generally made in court proceedings?
– Scott
4 hours ago
@Scott, your assumption that strength of evidence relates to the rationale for asking the question is not a fact, it's an ideological stance taken by some but not all philosophers of science. I think that kind of issue is best pursued on Philosophy SE.
– user6726
39 mins ago
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I think court proceedings would center around the legality of searching somebody's phone stemming from a jaywalking charge. I know that isn't what you are asking though... What country are you asking about? I can see something like that being legal in China, but not in the US...
– Ron Beyer
5 hours ago
Sorry, as I am not a legal scholar, I am unfamiliar with existing rules of evidence. I will edit the question to suggest a charge that would warrant a phone search.
– Scott
5 hours ago
Is a succinct version of the question - Is evidence of crime A obtained in a legal search regarding crime A any stronger than evidence of crime B inadvertently obtained in a legal search regarding crime A?
– George White
4 hours ago
@GeorgeWhite, No. The fact of the matter is that evidence of crime A obtained in a legal search regarding crime A IS stronger than evidence of crime A inadvertently obtained in a legal search regarding crime B. My question is whether any accounting of this fact is generally made in court proceedings?
– Scott
4 hours ago
@Scott, your assumption that strength of evidence relates to the rationale for asking the question is not a fact, it's an ideological stance taken by some but not all philosophers of science. I think that kind of issue is best pursued on Philosophy SE.
– user6726
39 mins ago
I think court proceedings would center around the legality of searching somebody's phone stemming from a jaywalking charge. I know that isn't what you are asking though... What country are you asking about? I can see something like that being legal in China, but not in the US...
– Ron Beyer
5 hours ago
I think court proceedings would center around the legality of searching somebody's phone stemming from a jaywalking charge. I know that isn't what you are asking though... What country are you asking about? I can see something like that being legal in China, but not in the US...
– Ron Beyer
5 hours ago
Sorry, as I am not a legal scholar, I am unfamiliar with existing rules of evidence. I will edit the question to suggest a charge that would warrant a phone search.
– Scott
5 hours ago
Sorry, as I am not a legal scholar, I am unfamiliar with existing rules of evidence. I will edit the question to suggest a charge that would warrant a phone search.
– Scott
5 hours ago
Is a succinct version of the question - Is evidence of crime A obtained in a legal search regarding crime A any stronger than evidence of crime B inadvertently obtained in a legal search regarding crime A?
– George White
4 hours ago
Is a succinct version of the question - Is evidence of crime A obtained in a legal search regarding crime A any stronger than evidence of crime B inadvertently obtained in a legal search regarding crime A?
– George White
4 hours ago
@GeorgeWhite, No. The fact of the matter is that evidence of crime A obtained in a legal search regarding crime A IS stronger than evidence of crime A inadvertently obtained in a legal search regarding crime B. My question is whether any accounting of this fact is generally made in court proceedings?
– Scott
4 hours ago
@GeorgeWhite, No. The fact of the matter is that evidence of crime A obtained in a legal search regarding crime A IS stronger than evidence of crime A inadvertently obtained in a legal search regarding crime B. My question is whether any accounting of this fact is generally made in court proceedings?
– Scott
4 hours ago
@Scott, your assumption that strength of evidence relates to the rationale for asking the question is not a fact, it's an ideological stance taken by some but not all philosophers of science. I think that kind of issue is best pursued on Philosophy SE.
– user6726
39 mins ago
@Scott, your assumption that strength of evidence relates to the rationale for asking the question is not a fact, it's an ideological stance taken by some but not all philosophers of science. I think that kind of issue is best pursued on Philosophy SE.
– user6726
39 mins ago
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In US law, there was, as far as the question indicates, no probable cause to search her phone at all, Therefore (unless there is some cause not mentioned in the question), any such search is illegal, and any evidence found in such a search, or that is found as an indirect result of such a search (pointers toward it are found in the search, and followed) would not be admissible in any criminal case against Alice.
In the case of Bob, if his friends and family approach the police or other authority with
a vague suspicion that Bob might be involved in the creation of illegal content
That will probably not constitute probable cause for an arrest of Bob or a search warrant for his phone. Unless the accusation does constitute probable cause, any evidence found during such a search would not be admissible against Bob in a criminal case.
In practice, most US police would not undertake either search without better evidence than is described in the question. But some police will overstep the lines, which is what the US exclusionary rule is for.
Legal procedure does not as far as I know make a distinction between "exploratory" and "confirmatory" evidence. Instead, evidence is either admissible or not. The rules for when evidence is admissible are quite complex, and vary by jurisdiction. Some of them are more traditional than logical, and some of them are addressed to particular problems that have arisen in particular circumstances.
But the US Fourth Amendment protections against unreasonable searches, and the requirement of probable cause before search or arrest warrants are issued, serves some of the same purpose.
Other countries have different rules, but many of them restrict the authorities to some extent from making arbitrary searches with no initial evidence.
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There is no distinction between exploratory and confirmatory analysis in law. Assume that Alice is suspected of being a child pornographer (based on clear statements to that effect by multiple parties) and a warrant is issued to allow exhaustively searching her cell phone (the search has to be legal in the first place). The cellphone contains damning evidence of her crimes: on that basis she could be convicted. Now assume that someone says "I think Alice might be up to something shady": whether or not she is ticketed for jaywalking, there is not a reasonable suspicion that a crime was committed. Therefore no warrant will be issued, and no search is legal.
The "exploratory" part basically does not exist under the law. You cannot just explore, you need to already have confirmation.
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In US law, there was, as far as the question indicates, no probable cause to search her phone at all, Therefore (unless there is some cause not mentioned in the question), any such search is illegal, and any evidence found in such a search, or that is found as an indirect result of such a search (pointers toward it are found in the search, and followed) would not be admissible in any criminal case against Alice.
In the case of Bob, if his friends and family approach the police or other authority with
a vague suspicion that Bob might be involved in the creation of illegal content
That will probably not constitute probable cause for an arrest of Bob or a search warrant for his phone. Unless the accusation does constitute probable cause, any evidence found during such a search would not be admissible against Bob in a criminal case.
In practice, most US police would not undertake either search without better evidence than is described in the question. But some police will overstep the lines, which is what the US exclusionary rule is for.
Legal procedure does not as far as I know make a distinction between "exploratory" and "confirmatory" evidence. Instead, evidence is either admissible or not. The rules for when evidence is admissible are quite complex, and vary by jurisdiction. Some of them are more traditional than logical, and some of them are addressed to particular problems that have arisen in particular circumstances.
But the US Fourth Amendment protections against unreasonable searches, and the requirement of probable cause before search or arrest warrants are issued, serves some of the same purpose.
Other countries have different rules, but many of them restrict the authorities to some extent from making arbitrary searches with no initial evidence.
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In US law, there was, as far as the question indicates, no probable cause to search her phone at all, Therefore (unless there is some cause not mentioned in the question), any such search is illegal, and any evidence found in such a search, or that is found as an indirect result of such a search (pointers toward it are found in the search, and followed) would not be admissible in any criminal case against Alice.
In the case of Bob, if his friends and family approach the police or other authority with
a vague suspicion that Bob might be involved in the creation of illegal content
That will probably not constitute probable cause for an arrest of Bob or a search warrant for his phone. Unless the accusation does constitute probable cause, any evidence found during such a search would not be admissible against Bob in a criminal case.
In practice, most US police would not undertake either search without better evidence than is described in the question. But some police will overstep the lines, which is what the US exclusionary rule is for.
Legal procedure does not as far as I know make a distinction between "exploratory" and "confirmatory" evidence. Instead, evidence is either admissible or not. The rules for when evidence is admissible are quite complex, and vary by jurisdiction. Some of them are more traditional than logical, and some of them are addressed to particular problems that have arisen in particular circumstances.
But the US Fourth Amendment protections against unreasonable searches, and the requirement of probable cause before search or arrest warrants are issued, serves some of the same purpose.
Other countries have different rules, but many of them restrict the authorities to some extent from making arbitrary searches with no initial evidence.
add a comment |
In US law, there was, as far as the question indicates, no probable cause to search her phone at all, Therefore (unless there is some cause not mentioned in the question), any such search is illegal, and any evidence found in such a search, or that is found as an indirect result of such a search (pointers toward it are found in the search, and followed) would not be admissible in any criminal case against Alice.
In the case of Bob, if his friends and family approach the police or other authority with
a vague suspicion that Bob might be involved in the creation of illegal content
That will probably not constitute probable cause for an arrest of Bob or a search warrant for his phone. Unless the accusation does constitute probable cause, any evidence found during such a search would not be admissible against Bob in a criminal case.
In practice, most US police would not undertake either search without better evidence than is described in the question. But some police will overstep the lines, which is what the US exclusionary rule is for.
Legal procedure does not as far as I know make a distinction between "exploratory" and "confirmatory" evidence. Instead, evidence is either admissible or not. The rules for when evidence is admissible are quite complex, and vary by jurisdiction. Some of them are more traditional than logical, and some of them are addressed to particular problems that have arisen in particular circumstances.
But the US Fourth Amendment protections against unreasonable searches, and the requirement of probable cause before search or arrest warrants are issued, serves some of the same purpose.
Other countries have different rules, but many of them restrict the authorities to some extent from making arbitrary searches with no initial evidence.
In US law, there was, as far as the question indicates, no probable cause to search her phone at all, Therefore (unless there is some cause not mentioned in the question), any such search is illegal, and any evidence found in such a search, or that is found as an indirect result of such a search (pointers toward it are found in the search, and followed) would not be admissible in any criminal case against Alice.
In the case of Bob, if his friends and family approach the police or other authority with
a vague suspicion that Bob might be involved in the creation of illegal content
That will probably not constitute probable cause for an arrest of Bob or a search warrant for his phone. Unless the accusation does constitute probable cause, any evidence found during such a search would not be admissible against Bob in a criminal case.
In practice, most US police would not undertake either search without better evidence than is described in the question. But some police will overstep the lines, which is what the US exclusionary rule is for.
Legal procedure does not as far as I know make a distinction between "exploratory" and "confirmatory" evidence. Instead, evidence is either admissible or not. The rules for when evidence is admissible are quite complex, and vary by jurisdiction. Some of them are more traditional than logical, and some of them are addressed to particular problems that have arisen in particular circumstances.
But the US Fourth Amendment protections against unreasonable searches, and the requirement of probable cause before search or arrest warrants are issued, serves some of the same purpose.
Other countries have different rules, but many of them restrict the authorities to some extent from making arbitrary searches with no initial evidence.
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There is no distinction between exploratory and confirmatory analysis in law. Assume that Alice is suspected of being a child pornographer (based on clear statements to that effect by multiple parties) and a warrant is issued to allow exhaustively searching her cell phone (the search has to be legal in the first place). The cellphone contains damning evidence of her crimes: on that basis she could be convicted. Now assume that someone says "I think Alice might be up to something shady": whether or not she is ticketed for jaywalking, there is not a reasonable suspicion that a crime was committed. Therefore no warrant will be issued, and no search is legal.
The "exploratory" part basically does not exist under the law. You cannot just explore, you need to already have confirmation.
add a comment |
There is no distinction between exploratory and confirmatory analysis in law. Assume that Alice is suspected of being a child pornographer (based on clear statements to that effect by multiple parties) and a warrant is issued to allow exhaustively searching her cell phone (the search has to be legal in the first place). The cellphone contains damning evidence of her crimes: on that basis she could be convicted. Now assume that someone says "I think Alice might be up to something shady": whether or not she is ticketed for jaywalking, there is not a reasonable suspicion that a crime was committed. Therefore no warrant will be issued, and no search is legal.
The "exploratory" part basically does not exist under the law. You cannot just explore, you need to already have confirmation.
add a comment |
There is no distinction between exploratory and confirmatory analysis in law. Assume that Alice is suspected of being a child pornographer (based on clear statements to that effect by multiple parties) and a warrant is issued to allow exhaustively searching her cell phone (the search has to be legal in the first place). The cellphone contains damning evidence of her crimes: on that basis she could be convicted. Now assume that someone says "I think Alice might be up to something shady": whether or not she is ticketed for jaywalking, there is not a reasonable suspicion that a crime was committed. Therefore no warrant will be issued, and no search is legal.
The "exploratory" part basically does not exist under the law. You cannot just explore, you need to already have confirmation.
There is no distinction between exploratory and confirmatory analysis in law. Assume that Alice is suspected of being a child pornographer (based on clear statements to that effect by multiple parties) and a warrant is issued to allow exhaustively searching her cell phone (the search has to be legal in the first place). The cellphone contains damning evidence of her crimes: on that basis she could be convicted. Now assume that someone says "I think Alice might be up to something shady": whether or not she is ticketed for jaywalking, there is not a reasonable suspicion that a crime was committed. Therefore no warrant will be issued, and no search is legal.
The "exploratory" part basically does not exist under the law. You cannot just explore, you need to already have confirmation.
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I think court proceedings would center around the legality of searching somebody's phone stemming from a jaywalking charge. I know that isn't what you are asking though... What country are you asking about? I can see something like that being legal in China, but not in the US...
– Ron Beyer
5 hours ago
Sorry, as I am not a legal scholar, I am unfamiliar with existing rules of evidence. I will edit the question to suggest a charge that would warrant a phone search.
– Scott
5 hours ago
Is a succinct version of the question - Is evidence of crime A obtained in a legal search regarding crime A any stronger than evidence of crime B inadvertently obtained in a legal search regarding crime A?
– George White
4 hours ago
@GeorgeWhite, No. The fact of the matter is that evidence of crime A obtained in a legal search regarding crime A IS stronger than evidence of crime A inadvertently obtained in a legal search regarding crime B. My question is whether any accounting of this fact is generally made in court proceedings?
– Scott
4 hours ago
@Scott, your assumption that strength of evidence relates to the rationale for asking the question is not a fact, it's an ideological stance taken by some but not all philosophers of science. I think that kind of issue is best pursued on Philosophy SE.
– user6726
39 mins ago