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Is it possible to upcast ritual spells?



For example, say I'm a level 11 bard that has the spells Leomund's Tiny Hut (LTH) or Alarm. LTH is a 3rd-level spell with the ritual tag; Alarm is a 1st-level spell with the ritual tag. Since they are rituals, they can be cast without expending a spell slot.



Is it possible to cast LTH or Alarm at, say, 6th level (Bards at 11th-level have one 6th-level spell slot) as a ritual, thus making it harder to dispel the enchantment?



The reason I ask this is that spells like LTH and Alarm are pretty good for setting up camp, but they can be dispelled by an attacking party with a simple Dispel Magic - and since they are a 3rd-level spell or lower, the spell effect is ended immediately without the enemy even needing to roll.



In my mind, if a spellcaster has the ability to cast spells at 6th level, they should be able to imbue a ritual spell they cast with that level of power, as a ritual.










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Is it possible to upcast ritual spells?



For example, say I'm a level 11 bard that has the spells Leomund's Tiny Hut (LTH) or Alarm. LTH is a 3rd-level spell with the ritual tag; Alarm is a 1st-level spell with the ritual tag. Since they are rituals, they can be cast without expending a spell slot.



Is it possible to cast LTH or Alarm at, say, 6th level (Bards at 11th-level have one 6th-level spell slot) as a ritual, thus making it harder to dispel the enchantment?



The reason I ask this is that spells like LTH and Alarm are pretty good for setting up camp, but they can be dispelled by an attacking party with a simple Dispel Magic - and since they are a 3rd-level spell or lower, the spell effect is ended immediately without the enemy even needing to roll.



In my mind, if a spellcaster has the ability to cast spells at 6th level, they should be able to imbue a ritual spell they cast with that level of power, as a ritual.










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Is it possible to upcast ritual spells?



For example, say I'm a level 11 bard that has the spells Leomund's Tiny Hut (LTH) or Alarm. LTH is a 3rd-level spell with the ritual tag; Alarm is a 1st-level spell with the ritual tag. Since they are rituals, they can be cast without expending a spell slot.



Is it possible to cast LTH or Alarm at, say, 6th level (Bards at 11th-level have one 6th-level spell slot) as a ritual, thus making it harder to dispel the enchantment?



The reason I ask this is that spells like LTH and Alarm are pretty good for setting up camp, but they can be dispelled by an attacking party with a simple Dispel Magic - and since they are a 3rd-level spell or lower, the spell effect is ended immediately without the enemy even needing to roll.



In my mind, if a spellcaster has the ability to cast spells at 6th level, they should be able to imbue a ritual spell they cast with that level of power, as a ritual.










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Is it possible to upcast ritual spells?



For example, say I'm a level 11 bard that has the spells Leomund's Tiny Hut (LTH) or Alarm. LTH is a 3rd-level spell with the ritual tag; Alarm is a 1st-level spell with the ritual tag. Since they are rituals, they can be cast without expending a spell slot.



Is it possible to cast LTH or Alarm at, say, 6th level (Bards at 11th-level have one 6th-level spell slot) as a ritual, thus making it harder to dispel the enchantment?



The reason I ask this is that spells like LTH and Alarm are pretty good for setting up camp, but they can be dispelled by an attacking party with a simple Dispel Magic - and since they are a 3rd-level spell or lower, the spell effect is ended immediately without the enemy even needing to roll.



In my mind, if a spellcaster has the ability to cast spells at 6th level, they should be able to imbue a ritual spell they cast with that level of power, as a ritual.







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Ritual spells can't be cast at higher levels unless you spend a spell slot



The rules for rituals state that:




The ritual version of a spell takes 10 minutes longer to cast than normal. It also doesn't expend a spell slot, which means the ritual version of a spell can't be cast at a higher level




This means that when casting as a ritual the spell must be cast at its normal level. However do note that these spells can also be cast normally (emphasis mine):




Such a spell can be cast following the normal rules for spellcasting, or the spell can be cast as a ritual




So if you really want to have a higher level tiny hut, for example, you can spend a higher lvl slot to cast it normally.






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    That also means that for someone with the feat Ritual Caster there is simply no way to cast them at a higher level right?
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    @SebastiaanvandenBroek as long as you cast it as a ritual, you don't expend a spell slot, which then means no higher cast
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From the Ritual rules:




It also doesn't expend a spell slot, which means the ritual version of a spell can't be cast at a higher level.







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    Ritual spells can't be cast at higher levels unless you spend a spell slot



    The rules for rituals state that:




    The ritual version of a spell takes 10 minutes longer to cast than normal. It also doesn't expend a spell slot, which means the ritual version of a spell can't be cast at a higher level




    This means that when casting as a ritual the spell must be cast at its normal level. However do note that these spells can also be cast normally (emphasis mine):




    Such a spell can be cast following the normal rules for spellcasting, or the spell can be cast as a ritual




    So if you really want to have a higher level tiny hut, for example, you can spend a higher lvl slot to cast it normally.






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      That also means that for someone with the feat Ritual Caster there is simply no way to cast them at a higher level right?
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      @SebastiaanvandenBroek as long as you cast it as a ritual, you don't expend a spell slot, which then means no higher cast
      $endgroup$
      – Vylix
      32 mins ago
















    19












    $begingroup$

    Ritual spells can't be cast at higher levels unless you spend a spell slot



    The rules for rituals state that:




    The ritual version of a spell takes 10 minutes longer to cast than normal. It also doesn't expend a spell slot, which means the ritual version of a spell can't be cast at a higher level




    This means that when casting as a ritual the spell must be cast at its normal level. However do note that these spells can also be cast normally (emphasis mine):




    Such a spell can be cast following the normal rules for spellcasting, or the spell can be cast as a ritual




    So if you really want to have a higher level tiny hut, for example, you can spend a higher lvl slot to cast it normally.






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      That also means that for someone with the feat Ritual Caster there is simply no way to cast them at a higher level right?
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      – Sebastiaan van den Broek
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      @SebastiaanvandenBroek as long as you cast it as a ritual, you don't expend a spell slot, which then means no higher cast
      $endgroup$
      – Vylix
      32 mins ago














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    $begingroup$

    Ritual spells can't be cast at higher levels unless you spend a spell slot



    The rules for rituals state that:




    The ritual version of a spell takes 10 minutes longer to cast than normal. It also doesn't expend a spell slot, which means the ritual version of a spell can't be cast at a higher level




    This means that when casting as a ritual the spell must be cast at its normal level. However do note that these spells can also be cast normally (emphasis mine):




    Such a spell can be cast following the normal rules for spellcasting, or the spell can be cast as a ritual




    So if you really want to have a higher level tiny hut, for example, you can spend a higher lvl slot to cast it normally.






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    Ritual spells can't be cast at higher levels unless you spend a spell slot



    The rules for rituals state that:




    The ritual version of a spell takes 10 minutes longer to cast than normal. It also doesn't expend a spell slot, which means the ritual version of a spell can't be cast at a higher level




    This means that when casting as a ritual the spell must be cast at its normal level. However do note that these spells can also be cast normally (emphasis mine):




    Such a spell can be cast following the normal rules for spellcasting, or the spell can be cast as a ritual




    So if you really want to have a higher level tiny hut, for example, you can spend a higher lvl slot to cast it normally.







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    • $begingroup$
      That also means that for someone with the feat Ritual Caster there is simply no way to cast them at a higher level right?
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      – Sebastiaan van den Broek
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      @SebastiaanvandenBroek as long as you cast it as a ritual, you don't expend a spell slot, which then means no higher cast
      $endgroup$
      – Vylix
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    • $begingroup$
      That also means that for someone with the feat Ritual Caster there is simply no way to cast them at a higher level right?
      $endgroup$
      – Sebastiaan van den Broek
      1 hour ago










    • $begingroup$
      @SebastiaanvandenBroek as long as you cast it as a ritual, you don't expend a spell slot, which then means no higher cast
      $endgroup$
      – Vylix
      32 mins ago
















    $begingroup$
    That also means that for someone with the feat Ritual Caster there is simply no way to cast them at a higher level right?
    $endgroup$
    – Sebastiaan van den Broek
    1 hour ago




    $begingroup$
    That also means that for someone with the feat Ritual Caster there is simply no way to cast them at a higher level right?
    $endgroup$
    – Sebastiaan van den Broek
    1 hour ago












    $begingroup$
    @SebastiaanvandenBroek as long as you cast it as a ritual, you don't expend a spell slot, which then means no higher cast
    $endgroup$
    – Vylix
    32 mins ago




    $begingroup$
    @SebastiaanvandenBroek as long as you cast it as a ritual, you don't expend a spell slot, which then means no higher cast
    $endgroup$
    – Vylix
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    No



    From the Ritual rules:




    It also doesn't expend a spell slot, which means the ritual version of a spell can't be cast at a higher level.







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      No



      From the Ritual rules:




      It also doesn't expend a spell slot, which means the ritual version of a spell can't be cast at a higher level.







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        No



        From the Ritual rules:




        It also doesn't expend a spell slot, which means the ritual version of a spell can't be cast at a higher level.







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        No



        From the Ritual rules:




        It also doesn't expend a spell slot, which means the ritual version of a spell can't be cast at a higher level.








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