Why Is Death Allowed In the Matrix?
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It seems as if war/death/etc is just as common in the Matrix as it is in real life outside of the movie. When someone dies in the Matrix, they die in their pod, do they not? = Loss of a battery. That is a whole lot of wasted batteries. Why do the machines allow a world with so much death?
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It seems as if war/death/etc is just as common in the Matrix as it is in real life outside of the movie. When someone dies in the Matrix, they die in their pod, do they not? = Loss of a battery. That is a whole lot of wasted batteries. Why do the machines allow a world with so much death?
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There is no war inside the Matrix, as far as I'm aware. There are certainly a vanishingly small number of terrorists, but that's not the same thing
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then why the military helicopter and military complex? this means there is war. the world in the matrix (1990's) looks just like the real 1990's. Guns and gangs and drugs to boot. Why would the machines allow this?
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You have to remember that Zion is a gigantic honeypot for malcontents and that The Matrix is designed to provide them with a series of escalating challenges ranging from local security, the police, the military and then finally Agents. It's only when The One arises that military buildings become accessible to the Zionese rebels.
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The matrix needs to feel real, otherwise people rebel and disbelieve in the fake reality, causing issues. I believe that there was a conversation in the movies that mentioned that the bots created a utopia like world, but it didn't take. In order for people to feel that it is real they would need wars and crime, and death would need to be permanent. My guess that over time the bots found the most efficient ratio of strife/death to peace to suit their needs.
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user113769 Because active military defense is one of the ways you prevent wars.
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It seems as if war/death/etc is just as common in the Matrix as it is in real life outside of the movie. When someone dies in the Matrix, they die in their pod, do they not? = Loss of a battery. That is a whole lot of wasted batteries. Why do the machines allow a world with so much death?
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It seems as if war/death/etc is just as common in the Matrix as it is in real life outside of the movie. When someone dies in the Matrix, they die in their pod, do they not? = Loss of a battery. That is a whole lot of wasted batteries. Why do the machines allow a world with so much death?
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There is no war inside the Matrix, as far as I'm aware. There are certainly a vanishingly small number of terrorists, but that's not the same thing
– Valorum
yesterday
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then why the military helicopter and military complex? this means there is war. the world in the matrix (1990's) looks just like the real 1990's. Guns and gangs and drugs to boot. Why would the machines allow this?
– user113769
yesterday
You have to remember that Zion is a gigantic honeypot for malcontents and that The Matrix is designed to provide them with a series of escalating challenges ranging from local security, the police, the military and then finally Agents. It's only when The One arises that military buildings become accessible to the Zionese rebels.
– Valorum
yesterday
14
The matrix needs to feel real, otherwise people rebel and disbelieve in the fake reality, causing issues. I believe that there was a conversation in the movies that mentioned that the bots created a utopia like world, but it didn't take. In order for people to feel that it is real they would need wars and crime, and death would need to be permanent. My guess that over time the bots found the most efficient ratio of strife/death to peace to suit their needs.
– Robert Hanson
yesterday
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user113769 Because active military defense is one of the ways you prevent wars.
– Misha R
yesterday
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show 2 more comments
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There is no war inside the Matrix, as far as I'm aware. There are certainly a vanishingly small number of terrorists, but that's not the same thing
– Valorum
yesterday
4
then why the military helicopter and military complex? this means there is war. the world in the matrix (1990's) looks just like the real 1990's. Guns and gangs and drugs to boot. Why would the machines allow this?
– user113769
yesterday
You have to remember that Zion is a gigantic honeypot for malcontents and that The Matrix is designed to provide them with a series of escalating challenges ranging from local security, the police, the military and then finally Agents. It's only when The One arises that military buildings become accessible to the Zionese rebels.
– Valorum
yesterday
14
The matrix needs to feel real, otherwise people rebel and disbelieve in the fake reality, causing issues. I believe that there was a conversation in the movies that mentioned that the bots created a utopia like world, but it didn't take. In order for people to feel that it is real they would need wars and crime, and death would need to be permanent. My guess that over time the bots found the most efficient ratio of strife/death to peace to suit their needs.
– Robert Hanson
yesterday
1
user113769 Because active military defense is one of the ways you prevent wars.
– Misha R
yesterday
3
3
There is no war inside the Matrix, as far as I'm aware. There are certainly a vanishingly small number of terrorists, but that's not the same thing
– Valorum
yesterday
There is no war inside the Matrix, as far as I'm aware. There are certainly a vanishingly small number of terrorists, but that's not the same thing
– Valorum
yesterday
4
4
then why the military helicopter and military complex? this means there is war. the world in the matrix (1990's) looks just like the real 1990's. Guns and gangs and drugs to boot. Why would the machines allow this?
– user113769
yesterday
then why the military helicopter and military complex? this means there is war. the world in the matrix (1990's) looks just like the real 1990's. Guns and gangs and drugs to boot. Why would the machines allow this?
– user113769
yesterday
You have to remember that Zion is a gigantic honeypot for malcontents and that The Matrix is designed to provide them with a series of escalating challenges ranging from local security, the police, the military and then finally Agents. It's only when The One arises that military buildings become accessible to the Zionese rebels.
– Valorum
yesterday
You have to remember that Zion is a gigantic honeypot for malcontents and that The Matrix is designed to provide them with a series of escalating challenges ranging from local security, the police, the military and then finally Agents. It's only when The One arises that military buildings become accessible to the Zionese rebels.
– Valorum
yesterday
14
14
The matrix needs to feel real, otherwise people rebel and disbelieve in the fake reality, causing issues. I believe that there was a conversation in the movies that mentioned that the bots created a utopia like world, but it didn't take. In order for people to feel that it is real they would need wars and crime, and death would need to be permanent. My guess that over time the bots found the most efficient ratio of strife/death to peace to suit their needs.
– Robert Hanson
yesterday
The matrix needs to feel real, otherwise people rebel and disbelieve in the fake reality, causing issues. I believe that there was a conversation in the movies that mentioned that the bots created a utopia like world, but it didn't take. In order for people to feel that it is real they would need wars and crime, and death would need to be permanent. My guess that over time the bots found the most efficient ratio of strife/death to peace to suit their needs.
– Robert Hanson
yesterday
1
1
user113769 Because active military defense is one of the ways you prevent wars.
– Misha R
yesterday
user113769 Because active military defense is one of the ways you prevent wars.
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People wear out
Bodies are bodies; they decline after a certain age and eventually fail for some reason or another. The machines can't change that, and given humans' relatively fecund nature, they have no driving reason to.
Maybe being sealed into a support coffin slightly lowers life expectancy. Maybe is increases it. But the humans are going to die eventually no matter what.
To run with the battery analogy, batteries wear out. After some number of recharges, their ability to hold a charge gets less, and your four-year-old cell phone has half the battery life that it had when new. Time to recycle!
People would notice, and be bothered by, the lack of death
The architect describes the Paradise Matrix:
[it] simulated a perfect world with no suffering to try to pacify
their minds, but the human minds did not accept this version. Many of
those connected died, and a Nightmare Matrix was designed in its place
that tried to correct its flaws.
Accordingly, even if there was no need for War, the Nightmare Matrix that we see must have War, and Famine, and Conquest, and especially Death. Humans would notice. Humans would be uneasy. Humans would fail.
Men... Men are weak.
The analogy to batteries doesn't fit that well, because a) the machines do feed the humans with nutritients (which of course doesn't make sense), so they act more like a fuel cell than a battery b) biological systems are in principle able to self-repair almost indefinitely, only, most lifeforms don't do that because it's actually an evolutionary advantage if you die at some point.
– leftaroundabout
4 hours ago
@leftaroundabout true, but the machines have zero reason to correct that evolutionary advantage. But I like the fuel cell analogy... And I've seen estimates that fuel cells last 5k-10k hours before wearing out :)
– gowenfawr
3 hours ago
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The first matrix did not allow that.
First quote is from Smith, second from Architect.
Did you know that the first Matrix was designed to be a perfect human world where none suffered, where everyone would be happy? It was a disaster. No one would accept the program. Entire crops were lost. Some believed that we lacked the programming language to describe your "perfect world". But I believe that, as a species, human beings define their reality through misery and suffering. So the perfect world was a dream that your primitive cerebrum kept trying to wake up from.
The first Matrix I designed was quite naturally perfect; it was a work of art, flawless, sublime. A triumph equalled only by its monumental failure.
However, since large number of batteries rejected the program, it was redesigned not to be perfect.
The inevitability of its doom is apparent to me now as a consequence of the imperfection inherent in every human being. Thus I redesigned it, based on your history, to more accurately reflect the varying grotesqueries of your nature.
Human nature, according to the architect, has grotesqueries that includes war and loss. Even though this design failed as well. The Oracle was created to better understand human nature. However, even the Oracle did not remove war and loss. While there is no direct quotation to support it, it is immediately deducible that Oracle find these aspects useful as well.
Long story short, Matrix was redesigned in a way that most of the batteries accepted the program. Loss of a few crops was acceptable as long as the majority did not revolt against it.
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While the other two answers correctly address the point about the need for an "imperfect" world stated in the movies, I think there might be a different approach related to your question: you say that dying in the Matrix means dying in the real world...
It's true the other way around, too
The machines need to consume humans to live; this means disconnecting them from the Matrix and swallowing them whole (as shown in one scene in the first movie I believe); this means killing them both in the real world AND inside the Matrix.
So, when the machines need energy, they need to disconnect as much humans as needed. They just "translate" it to the Matrix as those humans dying by whatever means neccesary.
Having a perfect world where no one suffers doesn't necessarily means no one dies. It might just mean everybody gets whatever they want whenever they want it, or maybe when someone died they were just replaced by somenone else. With an imperfect world, you have just more normal, natural ways of dying. Need a battery? Make someone sick or have an accident or just old. Need thousands of batteries? Cause a war or a terrorist attack here and there and cover your real worlds needs inside the simulation.
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I think you've misunderstood. The machines don't "eat" the human dead, they liquify them to make food for other humans.
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They do not die
This is a concept I've been thinking about regarding a sequel to the series.
In the Matrix, Neo learns how to manipulate the matrix around him because it is not actually real, now in one specific scene..
In one specific scene, Neo uses the power of the matrix while he is outside the matrix, He stops a robot from exploding and killing the 3 of them.
When he stops the Scentinal or whatever they're called, He collapses to the ground and the scene ends, In the next scene he wakes up in a hospital type bed.. However nothing is ever said about the fact that he can use the power outside the matrix.
This only has one conclusion in my opinion,
They never made it out of the matrix in the first place, They're still in the matrix, A matrix inside a matrix..
The fact that this is never addressed in the movie again, and he never uses the power outside the matrix ever again tells me that maybe the writer left an opening for a script that was never written.
This means, the battery's and pod's ( people ) are actually inside a matrix, The people and battery's are also in another matrix !
It is a quarantine for the matrix, therefore i don't believe they ever do die at all !
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Even if we accept your hypothesis, I'm not sure how it answers the question, since it just changes it to why people are allowed to die in this second matrix instead.
– John Montgomery
10 hours ago
It is not a hypothesis, it happens in the second film.... The matrix that you are referring to is just a matrix inside the matrix, therefore you can not say that the machine actually consumes them, they're just a digital representation...
– Zillinium
10 hours ago
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"The problem is choice..."
The occurrance of death, or even the choice of death gives the human batteries the impression that they do not have to live in the Matrix if they wish to leave. If they jumped off of skyscrapers and bounced back up from the ground, unable to pass, they would reject the program, knowing they are trapped in some immutable prison beyond their control or will.
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People wear out
Bodies are bodies; they decline after a certain age and eventually fail for some reason or another. The machines can't change that, and given humans' relatively fecund nature, they have no driving reason to.
Maybe being sealed into a support coffin slightly lowers life expectancy. Maybe is increases it. But the humans are going to die eventually no matter what.
To run with the battery analogy, batteries wear out. After some number of recharges, their ability to hold a charge gets less, and your four-year-old cell phone has half the battery life that it had when new. Time to recycle!
People would notice, and be bothered by, the lack of death
The architect describes the Paradise Matrix:
[it] simulated a perfect world with no suffering to try to pacify
their minds, but the human minds did not accept this version. Many of
those connected died, and a Nightmare Matrix was designed in its place
that tried to correct its flaws.
Accordingly, even if there was no need for War, the Nightmare Matrix that we see must have War, and Famine, and Conquest, and especially Death. Humans would notice. Humans would be uneasy. Humans would fail.
Men... Men are weak.
The analogy to batteries doesn't fit that well, because a) the machines do feed the humans with nutritients (which of course doesn't make sense), so they act more like a fuel cell than a battery b) biological systems are in principle able to self-repair almost indefinitely, only, most lifeforms don't do that because it's actually an evolutionary advantage if you die at some point.
– leftaroundabout
4 hours ago
@leftaroundabout true, but the machines have zero reason to correct that evolutionary advantage. But I like the fuel cell analogy... And I've seen estimates that fuel cells last 5k-10k hours before wearing out :)
– gowenfawr
3 hours ago
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People wear out
Bodies are bodies; they decline after a certain age and eventually fail for some reason or another. The machines can't change that, and given humans' relatively fecund nature, they have no driving reason to.
Maybe being sealed into a support coffin slightly lowers life expectancy. Maybe is increases it. But the humans are going to die eventually no matter what.
To run with the battery analogy, batteries wear out. After some number of recharges, their ability to hold a charge gets less, and your four-year-old cell phone has half the battery life that it had when new. Time to recycle!
People would notice, and be bothered by, the lack of death
The architect describes the Paradise Matrix:
[it] simulated a perfect world with no suffering to try to pacify
their minds, but the human minds did not accept this version. Many of
those connected died, and a Nightmare Matrix was designed in its place
that tried to correct its flaws.
Accordingly, even if there was no need for War, the Nightmare Matrix that we see must have War, and Famine, and Conquest, and especially Death. Humans would notice. Humans would be uneasy. Humans would fail.
Men... Men are weak.
The analogy to batteries doesn't fit that well, because a) the machines do feed the humans with nutritients (which of course doesn't make sense), so they act more like a fuel cell than a battery b) biological systems are in principle able to self-repair almost indefinitely, only, most lifeforms don't do that because it's actually an evolutionary advantage if you die at some point.
– leftaroundabout
4 hours ago
@leftaroundabout true, but the machines have zero reason to correct that evolutionary advantage. But I like the fuel cell analogy... And I've seen estimates that fuel cells last 5k-10k hours before wearing out :)
– gowenfawr
3 hours ago
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People wear out
Bodies are bodies; they decline after a certain age and eventually fail for some reason or another. The machines can't change that, and given humans' relatively fecund nature, they have no driving reason to.
Maybe being sealed into a support coffin slightly lowers life expectancy. Maybe is increases it. But the humans are going to die eventually no matter what.
To run with the battery analogy, batteries wear out. After some number of recharges, their ability to hold a charge gets less, and your four-year-old cell phone has half the battery life that it had when new. Time to recycle!
People would notice, and be bothered by, the lack of death
The architect describes the Paradise Matrix:
[it] simulated a perfect world with no suffering to try to pacify
their minds, but the human minds did not accept this version. Many of
those connected died, and a Nightmare Matrix was designed in its place
that tried to correct its flaws.
Accordingly, even if there was no need for War, the Nightmare Matrix that we see must have War, and Famine, and Conquest, and especially Death. Humans would notice. Humans would be uneasy. Humans would fail.
Men... Men are weak.
People wear out
Bodies are bodies; they decline after a certain age and eventually fail for some reason or another. The machines can't change that, and given humans' relatively fecund nature, they have no driving reason to.
Maybe being sealed into a support coffin slightly lowers life expectancy. Maybe is increases it. But the humans are going to die eventually no matter what.
To run with the battery analogy, batteries wear out. After some number of recharges, their ability to hold a charge gets less, and your four-year-old cell phone has half the battery life that it had when new. Time to recycle!
People would notice, and be bothered by, the lack of death
The architect describes the Paradise Matrix:
[it] simulated a perfect world with no suffering to try to pacify
their minds, but the human minds did not accept this version. Many of
those connected died, and a Nightmare Matrix was designed in its place
that tried to correct its flaws.
Accordingly, even if there was no need for War, the Nightmare Matrix that we see must have War, and Famine, and Conquest, and especially Death. Humans would notice. Humans would be uneasy. Humans would fail.
Men... Men are weak.
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The analogy to batteries doesn't fit that well, because a) the machines do feed the humans with nutritients (which of course doesn't make sense), so they act more like a fuel cell than a battery b) biological systems are in principle able to self-repair almost indefinitely, only, most lifeforms don't do that because it's actually an evolutionary advantage if you die at some point.
– leftaroundabout
4 hours ago
@leftaroundabout true, but the machines have zero reason to correct that evolutionary advantage. But I like the fuel cell analogy... And I've seen estimates that fuel cells last 5k-10k hours before wearing out :)
– gowenfawr
3 hours ago
add a comment |
The analogy to batteries doesn't fit that well, because a) the machines do feed the humans with nutritients (which of course doesn't make sense), so they act more like a fuel cell than a battery b) biological systems are in principle able to self-repair almost indefinitely, only, most lifeforms don't do that because it's actually an evolutionary advantage if you die at some point.
– leftaroundabout
4 hours ago
@leftaroundabout true, but the machines have zero reason to correct that evolutionary advantage. But I like the fuel cell analogy... And I've seen estimates that fuel cells last 5k-10k hours before wearing out :)
– gowenfawr
3 hours ago
The analogy to batteries doesn't fit that well, because a) the machines do feed the humans with nutritients (which of course doesn't make sense), so they act more like a fuel cell than a battery b) biological systems are in principle able to self-repair almost indefinitely, only, most lifeforms don't do that because it's actually an evolutionary advantage if you die at some point.
– leftaroundabout
4 hours ago
The analogy to batteries doesn't fit that well, because a) the machines do feed the humans with nutritients (which of course doesn't make sense), so they act more like a fuel cell than a battery b) biological systems are in principle able to self-repair almost indefinitely, only, most lifeforms don't do that because it's actually an evolutionary advantage if you die at some point.
– leftaroundabout
4 hours ago
@leftaroundabout true, but the machines have zero reason to correct that evolutionary advantage. But I like the fuel cell analogy... And I've seen estimates that fuel cells last 5k-10k hours before wearing out :)
– gowenfawr
3 hours ago
@leftaroundabout true, but the machines have zero reason to correct that evolutionary advantage. But I like the fuel cell analogy... And I've seen estimates that fuel cells last 5k-10k hours before wearing out :)
– gowenfawr
3 hours ago
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The first matrix did not allow that.
First quote is from Smith, second from Architect.
Did you know that the first Matrix was designed to be a perfect human world where none suffered, where everyone would be happy? It was a disaster. No one would accept the program. Entire crops were lost. Some believed that we lacked the programming language to describe your "perfect world". But I believe that, as a species, human beings define their reality through misery and suffering. So the perfect world was a dream that your primitive cerebrum kept trying to wake up from.
The first Matrix I designed was quite naturally perfect; it was a work of art, flawless, sublime. A triumph equalled only by its monumental failure.
However, since large number of batteries rejected the program, it was redesigned not to be perfect.
The inevitability of its doom is apparent to me now as a consequence of the imperfection inherent in every human being. Thus I redesigned it, based on your history, to more accurately reflect the varying grotesqueries of your nature.
Human nature, according to the architect, has grotesqueries that includes war and loss. Even though this design failed as well. The Oracle was created to better understand human nature. However, even the Oracle did not remove war and loss. While there is no direct quotation to support it, it is immediately deducible that Oracle find these aspects useful as well.
Long story short, Matrix was redesigned in a way that most of the batteries accepted the program. Loss of a few crops was acceptable as long as the majority did not revolt against it.
add a comment |
The first matrix did not allow that.
First quote is from Smith, second from Architect.
Did you know that the first Matrix was designed to be a perfect human world where none suffered, where everyone would be happy? It was a disaster. No one would accept the program. Entire crops were lost. Some believed that we lacked the programming language to describe your "perfect world". But I believe that, as a species, human beings define their reality through misery and suffering. So the perfect world was a dream that your primitive cerebrum kept trying to wake up from.
The first Matrix I designed was quite naturally perfect; it was a work of art, flawless, sublime. A triumph equalled only by its monumental failure.
However, since large number of batteries rejected the program, it was redesigned not to be perfect.
The inevitability of its doom is apparent to me now as a consequence of the imperfection inherent in every human being. Thus I redesigned it, based on your history, to more accurately reflect the varying grotesqueries of your nature.
Human nature, according to the architect, has grotesqueries that includes war and loss. Even though this design failed as well. The Oracle was created to better understand human nature. However, even the Oracle did not remove war and loss. While there is no direct quotation to support it, it is immediately deducible that Oracle find these aspects useful as well.
Long story short, Matrix was redesigned in a way that most of the batteries accepted the program. Loss of a few crops was acceptable as long as the majority did not revolt against it.
add a comment |
The first matrix did not allow that.
First quote is from Smith, second from Architect.
Did you know that the first Matrix was designed to be a perfect human world where none suffered, where everyone would be happy? It was a disaster. No one would accept the program. Entire crops were lost. Some believed that we lacked the programming language to describe your "perfect world". But I believe that, as a species, human beings define their reality through misery and suffering. So the perfect world was a dream that your primitive cerebrum kept trying to wake up from.
The first Matrix I designed was quite naturally perfect; it was a work of art, flawless, sublime. A triumph equalled only by its monumental failure.
However, since large number of batteries rejected the program, it was redesigned not to be perfect.
The inevitability of its doom is apparent to me now as a consequence of the imperfection inherent in every human being. Thus I redesigned it, based on your history, to more accurately reflect the varying grotesqueries of your nature.
Human nature, according to the architect, has grotesqueries that includes war and loss. Even though this design failed as well. The Oracle was created to better understand human nature. However, even the Oracle did not remove war and loss. While there is no direct quotation to support it, it is immediately deducible that Oracle find these aspects useful as well.
Long story short, Matrix was redesigned in a way that most of the batteries accepted the program. Loss of a few crops was acceptable as long as the majority did not revolt against it.
The first matrix did not allow that.
First quote is from Smith, second from Architect.
Did you know that the first Matrix was designed to be a perfect human world where none suffered, where everyone would be happy? It was a disaster. No one would accept the program. Entire crops were lost. Some believed that we lacked the programming language to describe your "perfect world". But I believe that, as a species, human beings define their reality through misery and suffering. So the perfect world was a dream that your primitive cerebrum kept trying to wake up from.
The first Matrix I designed was quite naturally perfect; it was a work of art, flawless, sublime. A triumph equalled only by its monumental failure.
However, since large number of batteries rejected the program, it was redesigned not to be perfect.
The inevitability of its doom is apparent to me now as a consequence of the imperfection inherent in every human being. Thus I redesigned it, based on your history, to more accurately reflect the varying grotesqueries of your nature.
Human nature, according to the architect, has grotesqueries that includes war and loss. Even though this design failed as well. The Oracle was created to better understand human nature. However, even the Oracle did not remove war and loss. While there is no direct quotation to support it, it is immediately deducible that Oracle find these aspects useful as well.
Long story short, Matrix was redesigned in a way that most of the batteries accepted the program. Loss of a few crops was acceptable as long as the majority did not revolt against it.
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While the other two answers correctly address the point about the need for an "imperfect" world stated in the movies, I think there might be a different approach related to your question: you say that dying in the Matrix means dying in the real world...
It's true the other way around, too
The machines need to consume humans to live; this means disconnecting them from the Matrix and swallowing them whole (as shown in one scene in the first movie I believe); this means killing them both in the real world AND inside the Matrix.
So, when the machines need energy, they need to disconnect as much humans as needed. They just "translate" it to the Matrix as those humans dying by whatever means neccesary.
Having a perfect world where no one suffers doesn't necessarily means no one dies. It might just mean everybody gets whatever they want whenever they want it, or maybe when someone died they were just replaced by somenone else. With an imperfect world, you have just more normal, natural ways of dying. Need a battery? Make someone sick or have an accident or just old. Need thousands of batteries? Cause a war or a terrorist attack here and there and cover your real worlds needs inside the simulation.
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I think you've misunderstood. The machines don't "eat" the human dead, they liquify them to make food for other humans.
– Valorum
23 hours ago
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While the other two answers correctly address the point about the need for an "imperfect" world stated in the movies, I think there might be a different approach related to your question: you say that dying in the Matrix means dying in the real world...
It's true the other way around, too
The machines need to consume humans to live; this means disconnecting them from the Matrix and swallowing them whole (as shown in one scene in the first movie I believe); this means killing them both in the real world AND inside the Matrix.
So, when the machines need energy, they need to disconnect as much humans as needed. They just "translate" it to the Matrix as those humans dying by whatever means neccesary.
Having a perfect world where no one suffers doesn't necessarily means no one dies. It might just mean everybody gets whatever they want whenever they want it, or maybe when someone died they were just replaced by somenone else. With an imperfect world, you have just more normal, natural ways of dying. Need a battery? Make someone sick or have an accident or just old. Need thousands of batteries? Cause a war or a terrorist attack here and there and cover your real worlds needs inside the simulation.
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I think you've misunderstood. The machines don't "eat" the human dead, they liquify them to make food for other humans.
– Valorum
23 hours ago
add a comment |
While the other two answers correctly address the point about the need for an "imperfect" world stated in the movies, I think there might be a different approach related to your question: you say that dying in the Matrix means dying in the real world...
It's true the other way around, too
The machines need to consume humans to live; this means disconnecting them from the Matrix and swallowing them whole (as shown in one scene in the first movie I believe); this means killing them both in the real world AND inside the Matrix.
So, when the machines need energy, they need to disconnect as much humans as needed. They just "translate" it to the Matrix as those humans dying by whatever means neccesary.
Having a perfect world where no one suffers doesn't necessarily means no one dies. It might just mean everybody gets whatever they want whenever they want it, or maybe when someone died they were just replaced by somenone else. With an imperfect world, you have just more normal, natural ways of dying. Need a battery? Make someone sick or have an accident or just old. Need thousands of batteries? Cause a war or a terrorist attack here and there and cover your real worlds needs inside the simulation.
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While the other two answers correctly address the point about the need for an "imperfect" world stated in the movies, I think there might be a different approach related to your question: you say that dying in the Matrix means dying in the real world...
It's true the other way around, too
The machines need to consume humans to live; this means disconnecting them from the Matrix and swallowing them whole (as shown in one scene in the first movie I believe); this means killing them both in the real world AND inside the Matrix.
So, when the machines need energy, they need to disconnect as much humans as needed. They just "translate" it to the Matrix as those humans dying by whatever means neccesary.
Having a perfect world where no one suffers doesn't necessarily means no one dies. It might just mean everybody gets whatever they want whenever they want it, or maybe when someone died they were just replaced by somenone else. With an imperfect world, you have just more normal, natural ways of dying. Need a battery? Make someone sick or have an accident or just old. Need thousands of batteries? Cause a war or a terrorist attack here and there and cover your real worlds needs inside the simulation.
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answered 23 hours ago
Josh PartJosh Part
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I think you've misunderstood. The machines don't "eat" the human dead, they liquify them to make food for other humans.
– Valorum
23 hours ago
add a comment |
10
I think you've misunderstood. The machines don't "eat" the human dead, they liquify them to make food for other humans.
– Valorum
23 hours ago
10
10
I think you've misunderstood. The machines don't "eat" the human dead, they liquify them to make food for other humans.
– Valorum
23 hours ago
I think you've misunderstood. The machines don't "eat" the human dead, they liquify them to make food for other humans.
– Valorum
23 hours ago
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They do not die
This is a concept I've been thinking about regarding a sequel to the series.
In the Matrix, Neo learns how to manipulate the matrix around him because it is not actually real, now in one specific scene..
In one specific scene, Neo uses the power of the matrix while he is outside the matrix, He stops a robot from exploding and killing the 3 of them.
When he stops the Scentinal or whatever they're called, He collapses to the ground and the scene ends, In the next scene he wakes up in a hospital type bed.. However nothing is ever said about the fact that he can use the power outside the matrix.
This only has one conclusion in my opinion,
They never made it out of the matrix in the first place, They're still in the matrix, A matrix inside a matrix..
The fact that this is never addressed in the movie again, and he never uses the power outside the matrix ever again tells me that maybe the writer left an opening for a script that was never written.
This means, the battery's and pod's ( people ) are actually inside a matrix, The people and battery's are also in another matrix !
It is a quarantine for the matrix, therefore i don't believe they ever do die at all !
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Even if we accept your hypothesis, I'm not sure how it answers the question, since it just changes it to why people are allowed to die in this second matrix instead.
– John Montgomery
10 hours ago
It is not a hypothesis, it happens in the second film.... The matrix that you are referring to is just a matrix inside the matrix, therefore you can not say that the machine actually consumes them, they're just a digital representation...
– Zillinium
10 hours ago
add a comment |
They do not die
This is a concept I've been thinking about regarding a sequel to the series.
In the Matrix, Neo learns how to manipulate the matrix around him because it is not actually real, now in one specific scene..
In one specific scene, Neo uses the power of the matrix while he is outside the matrix, He stops a robot from exploding and killing the 3 of them.
When he stops the Scentinal or whatever they're called, He collapses to the ground and the scene ends, In the next scene he wakes up in a hospital type bed.. However nothing is ever said about the fact that he can use the power outside the matrix.
This only has one conclusion in my opinion,
They never made it out of the matrix in the first place, They're still in the matrix, A matrix inside a matrix..
The fact that this is never addressed in the movie again, and he never uses the power outside the matrix ever again tells me that maybe the writer left an opening for a script that was never written.
This means, the battery's and pod's ( people ) are actually inside a matrix, The people and battery's are also in another matrix !
It is a quarantine for the matrix, therefore i don't believe they ever do die at all !
New contributor
Even if we accept your hypothesis, I'm not sure how it answers the question, since it just changes it to why people are allowed to die in this second matrix instead.
– John Montgomery
10 hours ago
It is not a hypothesis, it happens in the second film.... The matrix that you are referring to is just a matrix inside the matrix, therefore you can not say that the machine actually consumes them, they're just a digital representation...
– Zillinium
10 hours ago
add a comment |
They do not die
This is a concept I've been thinking about regarding a sequel to the series.
In the Matrix, Neo learns how to manipulate the matrix around him because it is not actually real, now in one specific scene..
In one specific scene, Neo uses the power of the matrix while he is outside the matrix, He stops a robot from exploding and killing the 3 of them.
When he stops the Scentinal or whatever they're called, He collapses to the ground and the scene ends, In the next scene he wakes up in a hospital type bed.. However nothing is ever said about the fact that he can use the power outside the matrix.
This only has one conclusion in my opinion,
They never made it out of the matrix in the first place, They're still in the matrix, A matrix inside a matrix..
The fact that this is never addressed in the movie again, and he never uses the power outside the matrix ever again tells me that maybe the writer left an opening for a script that was never written.
This means, the battery's and pod's ( people ) are actually inside a matrix, The people and battery's are also in another matrix !
It is a quarantine for the matrix, therefore i don't believe they ever do die at all !
New contributor
They do not die
This is a concept I've been thinking about regarding a sequel to the series.
In the Matrix, Neo learns how to manipulate the matrix around him because it is not actually real, now in one specific scene..
In one specific scene, Neo uses the power of the matrix while he is outside the matrix, He stops a robot from exploding and killing the 3 of them.
When he stops the Scentinal or whatever they're called, He collapses to the ground and the scene ends, In the next scene he wakes up in a hospital type bed.. However nothing is ever said about the fact that he can use the power outside the matrix.
This only has one conclusion in my opinion,
They never made it out of the matrix in the first place, They're still in the matrix, A matrix inside a matrix..
The fact that this is never addressed in the movie again, and he never uses the power outside the matrix ever again tells me that maybe the writer left an opening for a script that was never written.
This means, the battery's and pod's ( people ) are actually inside a matrix, The people and battery's are also in another matrix !
It is a quarantine for the matrix, therefore i don't believe they ever do die at all !
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answered 13 hours ago
ZilliniumZillinium
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Even if we accept your hypothesis, I'm not sure how it answers the question, since it just changes it to why people are allowed to die in this second matrix instead.
– John Montgomery
10 hours ago
It is not a hypothesis, it happens in the second film.... The matrix that you are referring to is just a matrix inside the matrix, therefore you can not say that the machine actually consumes them, they're just a digital representation...
– Zillinium
10 hours ago
add a comment |
Even if we accept your hypothesis, I'm not sure how it answers the question, since it just changes it to why people are allowed to die in this second matrix instead.
– John Montgomery
10 hours ago
It is not a hypothesis, it happens in the second film.... The matrix that you are referring to is just a matrix inside the matrix, therefore you can not say that the machine actually consumes them, they're just a digital representation...
– Zillinium
10 hours ago
Even if we accept your hypothesis, I'm not sure how it answers the question, since it just changes it to why people are allowed to die in this second matrix instead.
– John Montgomery
10 hours ago
Even if we accept your hypothesis, I'm not sure how it answers the question, since it just changes it to why people are allowed to die in this second matrix instead.
– John Montgomery
10 hours ago
It is not a hypothesis, it happens in the second film.... The matrix that you are referring to is just a matrix inside the matrix, therefore you can not say that the machine actually consumes them, they're just a digital representation...
– Zillinium
10 hours ago
It is not a hypothesis, it happens in the second film.... The matrix that you are referring to is just a matrix inside the matrix, therefore you can not say that the machine actually consumes them, they're just a digital representation...
– Zillinium
10 hours ago
add a comment |
"The problem is choice..."
The occurrance of death, or even the choice of death gives the human batteries the impression that they do not have to live in the Matrix if they wish to leave. If they jumped off of skyscrapers and bounced back up from the ground, unable to pass, they would reject the program, knowing they are trapped in some immutable prison beyond their control or will.
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"The problem is choice..."
The occurrance of death, or even the choice of death gives the human batteries the impression that they do not have to live in the Matrix if they wish to leave. If they jumped off of skyscrapers and bounced back up from the ground, unable to pass, they would reject the program, knowing they are trapped in some immutable prison beyond their control or will.
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add a comment |
"The problem is choice..."
The occurrance of death, or even the choice of death gives the human batteries the impression that they do not have to live in the Matrix if they wish to leave. If they jumped off of skyscrapers and bounced back up from the ground, unable to pass, they would reject the program, knowing they are trapped in some immutable prison beyond their control or will.
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"The problem is choice..."
The occurrance of death, or even the choice of death gives the human batteries the impression that they do not have to live in the Matrix if they wish to leave. If they jumped off of skyscrapers and bounced back up from the ground, unable to pass, they would reject the program, knowing they are trapped in some immutable prison beyond their control or will.
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answered 2 hours ago
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There is no war inside the Matrix, as far as I'm aware. There are certainly a vanishingly small number of terrorists, but that's not the same thing
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then why the military helicopter and military complex? this means there is war. the world in the matrix (1990's) looks just like the real 1990's. Guns and gangs and drugs to boot. Why would the machines allow this?
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You have to remember that Zion is a gigantic honeypot for malcontents and that The Matrix is designed to provide them with a series of escalating challenges ranging from local security, the police, the military and then finally Agents. It's only when The One arises that military buildings become accessible to the Zionese rebels.
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The matrix needs to feel real, otherwise people rebel and disbelieve in the fake reality, causing issues. I believe that there was a conversation in the movies that mentioned that the bots created a utopia like world, but it didn't take. In order for people to feel that it is real they would need wars and crime, and death would need to be permanent. My guess that over time the bots found the most efficient ratio of strife/death to peace to suit their needs.
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user113769 Because active military defense is one of the ways you prevent wars.
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