Closed Form of the Real Portion of the Product of Exponentials
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I am wondering if it is possible to express an equation in closed form. I currently have:
$f(n) = prod_{m=2}^{n-1} e^frac{pi i n}{m}$
Where $i$ is the $sqrt{-1}$, which I know it commonly represents but due to the finite product I figured I would add this note for clarity.
Context: I am trying to work towards a solution for Simplify Product of sines, yet so far I have only arrived here.
Some options I have been considering to try and find a closed form include cases such as I only actually care when $n$ is an odd number so discarding even cases is fine if that simplifies it. I am also fine with having the series start a $m=1$ instead of $m=2$ if that somehow simplifies the answer. The other potential saving grace is that I may only care about the real portion of the answer and not the imaginary portion if that simplifies things.
Sorry I am a computer scientist not a mathematician so please let me know if I should adjust the title or the wording of the question for clarity. Any leads or help of any form would be appreciated as I am currently lost.
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I am wondering if it is possible to express an equation in closed form. I currently have:
$f(n) = prod_{m=2}^{n-1} e^frac{pi i n}{m}$
Where $i$ is the $sqrt{-1}$, which I know it commonly represents but due to the finite product I figured I would add this note for clarity.
Context: I am trying to work towards a solution for Simplify Product of sines, yet so far I have only arrived here.
Some options I have been considering to try and find a closed form include cases such as I only actually care when $n$ is an odd number so discarding even cases is fine if that simplifies it. I am also fine with having the series start a $m=1$ instead of $m=2$ if that somehow simplifies the answer. The other potential saving grace is that I may only care about the real portion of the answer and not the imaginary portion if that simplifies things.
Sorry I am a computer scientist not a mathematician so please let me know if I should adjust the title or the wording of the question for clarity. Any leads or help of any form would be appreciated as I am currently lost.
exponential-function closed-form products
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Please give more context. Providing context not only assures that this is not simply copied from a homework assignment, but also allows answers to be better directed at where the problem lies and to be within the proper scope. Please avoid "I have no clue" questions. Defining keywords and trying a simpler, similar problem often helps.
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– robjohn♦
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Hi, I guess the context is I was trying to work a little more on this, math.stackexchange.com/questions/1689831/…. I'm not in school and this is not homework, I am just a computer scientist who likes to dabble in some of my free time. I was trying to work towards a closed form of the equation linked and so I was breaking it into parts and this is where I got stuck. Its something I look at every few months so even a nudge in any direction would be helpful.
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– cytinus
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Hint: $prodlimits_{m=2}^{n-1}e^{a_m}=e^{sumlimits_{m=2}^{n-1}a_m}$
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– robjohn♦
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It would be helpful to add that context to the question itself, rather than in a comment. I have undeleted my answer.
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I am wondering if it is possible to express an equation in closed form. I currently have:
$f(n) = prod_{m=2}^{n-1} e^frac{pi i n}{m}$
Where $i$ is the $sqrt{-1}$, which I know it commonly represents but due to the finite product I figured I would add this note for clarity.
Context: I am trying to work towards a solution for Simplify Product of sines, yet so far I have only arrived here.
Some options I have been considering to try and find a closed form include cases such as I only actually care when $n$ is an odd number so discarding even cases is fine if that simplifies it. I am also fine with having the series start a $m=1$ instead of $m=2$ if that somehow simplifies the answer. The other potential saving grace is that I may only care about the real portion of the answer and not the imaginary portion if that simplifies things.
Sorry I am a computer scientist not a mathematician so please let me know if I should adjust the title or the wording of the question for clarity. Any leads or help of any form would be appreciated as I am currently lost.
exponential-function closed-form products
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I am wondering if it is possible to express an equation in closed form. I currently have:
$f(n) = prod_{m=2}^{n-1} e^frac{pi i n}{m}$
Where $i$ is the $sqrt{-1}$, which I know it commonly represents but due to the finite product I figured I would add this note for clarity.
Context: I am trying to work towards a solution for Simplify Product of sines, yet so far I have only arrived here.
Some options I have been considering to try and find a closed form include cases such as I only actually care when $n$ is an odd number so discarding even cases is fine if that simplifies it. I am also fine with having the series start a $m=1$ instead of $m=2$ if that somehow simplifies the answer. The other potential saving grace is that I may only care about the real portion of the answer and not the imaginary portion if that simplifies things.
Sorry I am a computer scientist not a mathematician so please let me know if I should adjust the title or the wording of the question for clarity. Any leads or help of any form would be appreciated as I am currently lost.
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Please give more context. Providing context not only assures that this is not simply copied from a homework assignment, but also allows answers to be better directed at where the problem lies and to be within the proper scope. Please avoid "I have no clue" questions. Defining keywords and trying a simpler, similar problem often helps.
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– robjohn♦
1 hour ago
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Hi, I guess the context is I was trying to work a little more on this, math.stackexchange.com/questions/1689831/…. I'm not in school and this is not homework, I am just a computer scientist who likes to dabble in some of my free time. I was trying to work towards a closed form of the equation linked and so I was breaking it into parts and this is where I got stuck. Its something I look at every few months so even a nudge in any direction would be helpful.
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– cytinus
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Hint: $prodlimits_{m=2}^{n-1}e^{a_m}=e^{sumlimits_{m=2}^{n-1}a_m}$
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– robjohn♦
1 hour ago
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It would be helpful to add that context to the question itself, rather than in a comment. I have undeleted my answer.
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Please give more context. Providing context not only assures that this is not simply copied from a homework assignment, but also allows answers to be better directed at where the problem lies and to be within the proper scope. Please avoid "I have no clue" questions. Defining keywords and trying a simpler, similar problem often helps.
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– robjohn♦
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Hi, I guess the context is I was trying to work a little more on this, math.stackexchange.com/questions/1689831/…. I'm not in school and this is not homework, I am just a computer scientist who likes to dabble in some of my free time. I was trying to work towards a closed form of the equation linked and so I was breaking it into parts and this is where I got stuck. Its something I look at every few months so even a nudge in any direction would be helpful.
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– cytinus
1 hour ago
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Hint: $prodlimits_{m=2}^{n-1}e^{a_m}=e^{sumlimits_{m=2}^{n-1}a_m}$
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– robjohn♦
1 hour ago
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It would be helpful to add that context to the question itself, rather than in a comment. I have undeleted my answer.
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– robjohn♦
1 hour ago
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Please give more context. Providing context not only assures that this is not simply copied from a homework assignment, but also allows answers to be better directed at where the problem lies and to be within the proper scope. Please avoid "I have no clue" questions. Defining keywords and trying a simpler, similar problem often helps.
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– robjohn♦
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Please give more context. Providing context not only assures that this is not simply copied from a homework assignment, but also allows answers to be better directed at where the problem lies and to be within the proper scope. Please avoid "I have no clue" questions. Defining keywords and trying a simpler, similar problem often helps.
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– robjohn♦
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Hi, I guess the context is I was trying to work a little more on this, math.stackexchange.com/questions/1689831/…. I'm not in school and this is not homework, I am just a computer scientist who likes to dabble in some of my free time. I was trying to work towards a closed form of the equation linked and so I was breaking it into parts and this is where I got stuck. Its something I look at every few months so even a nudge in any direction would be helpful.
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– cytinus
1 hour ago
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Hi, I guess the context is I was trying to work a little more on this, math.stackexchange.com/questions/1689831/…. I'm not in school and this is not homework, I am just a computer scientist who likes to dabble in some of my free time. I was trying to work towards a closed form of the equation linked and so I was breaking it into parts and this is where I got stuck. Its something I look at every few months so even a nudge in any direction would be helpful.
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– cytinus
1 hour ago
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Hint: $prodlimits_{m=2}^{n-1}e^{a_m}=e^{sumlimits_{m=2}^{n-1}a_m}$
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– robjohn♦
1 hour ago
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Hint: $prodlimits_{m=2}^{n-1}e^{a_m}=e^{sumlimits_{m=2}^{n-1}a_m}$
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– robjohn♦
1 hour ago
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It would be helpful to add that context to the question itself, rather than in a comment. I have undeleted my answer.
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– robjohn♦
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It would be helpful to add that context to the question itself, rather than in a comment. I have undeleted my answer.
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$$
begin{align}
prod_{m=2}^{n-1}e^{frac{pi in}m}
&=e^{pi in(H_{n-1}-1)}\
&=(-1)^ne^{pi inH_{n-1}}\[9pt]
&=(-1)^{n-1}e^{pi inH_n}tag1
end{align}
$$
where $H_n$ is the $n^text{th}$ Harmonic Number.
$$
H_nsimlog(n)+gamma+frac1{2n}-frac1{12n^2}+frac1{120n^4}-frac1{252n^6}+frac1{240n^8}-frac1{132n^{10}}tag2
$$
and $gamma$ is the Euler-Mascheroni constant.
The real portion of $(1)$ is
$$
operatorname{Re}left(prod_{m=2}^{n-1}e^{frac{pi in}m}right)=(-1)^{n-1}cosleft(pi nH_nright)tag3
$$
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$$begin{align}
f(n)=&prod_{m=2}^{n-1}expfrac{ipi n}{m}\
&=expleft[sum_{m=2}^{n-1}frac{ipi n}{m}right]\
&=expleft[ipi nsum_{m=2}^{n-1}frac{1}{m}right]\
end{align}$$
Recalling the definition of the harmonic numbers:
$$H_n=sum_{m=1}^nfrac1m$$
We have that
$$f(n)=expleft[ipi n(H_{n-1}-1)right]$$
Then using $e^{itheta}=costheta+isintheta$,
$$f(n)=cosleft[pi n(H_{n-1}-1)right]+isinleft[pi n(H_{n-1}-1)right]$$
So
$$text{Re}f(n)=cosleft[pi n(H_{n-1}-1)right]$$
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Why is $expleft[ipi n(H_{n-1}-1)right]=exp(ipi n)exp(H_{n-1}-1)$?
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– greelious
1 hour ago
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@greelious because I messed up... Thanks! :)
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– clathratus
1 hour ago
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I think it is still not correct: $expleft[ipi n(H_{n-1}-1)right]=exp(i pi n H_{n-1})exp(-i pi n)=exp(i pi n H_{n-1})(-1)^n$
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– greelious
1 hour ago
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@greelious okay look now
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1 hour ago
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Looks good now.
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$$
begin{align}
prod_{m=2}^{n-1}e^{frac{pi in}m}
&=e^{pi in(H_{n-1}-1)}\
&=(-1)^ne^{pi inH_{n-1}}\[9pt]
&=(-1)^{n-1}e^{pi inH_n}tag1
end{align}
$$
where $H_n$ is the $n^text{th}$ Harmonic Number.
$$
H_nsimlog(n)+gamma+frac1{2n}-frac1{12n^2}+frac1{120n^4}-frac1{252n^6}+frac1{240n^8}-frac1{132n^{10}}tag2
$$
and $gamma$ is the Euler-Mascheroni constant.
The real portion of $(1)$ is
$$
operatorname{Re}left(prod_{m=2}^{n-1}e^{frac{pi in}m}right)=(-1)^{n-1}cosleft(pi nH_nright)tag3
$$
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$$
begin{align}
prod_{m=2}^{n-1}e^{frac{pi in}m}
&=e^{pi in(H_{n-1}-1)}\
&=(-1)^ne^{pi inH_{n-1}}\[9pt]
&=(-1)^{n-1}e^{pi inH_n}tag1
end{align}
$$
where $H_n$ is the $n^text{th}$ Harmonic Number.
$$
H_nsimlog(n)+gamma+frac1{2n}-frac1{12n^2}+frac1{120n^4}-frac1{252n^6}+frac1{240n^8}-frac1{132n^{10}}tag2
$$
and $gamma$ is the Euler-Mascheroni constant.
The real portion of $(1)$ is
$$
operatorname{Re}left(prod_{m=2}^{n-1}e^{frac{pi in}m}right)=(-1)^{n-1}cosleft(pi nH_nright)tag3
$$
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$$
begin{align}
prod_{m=2}^{n-1}e^{frac{pi in}m}
&=e^{pi in(H_{n-1}-1)}\
&=(-1)^ne^{pi inH_{n-1}}\[9pt]
&=(-1)^{n-1}e^{pi inH_n}tag1
end{align}
$$
where $H_n$ is the $n^text{th}$ Harmonic Number.
$$
H_nsimlog(n)+gamma+frac1{2n}-frac1{12n^2}+frac1{120n^4}-frac1{252n^6}+frac1{240n^8}-frac1{132n^{10}}tag2
$$
and $gamma$ is the Euler-Mascheroni constant.
The real portion of $(1)$ is
$$
operatorname{Re}left(prod_{m=2}^{n-1}e^{frac{pi in}m}right)=(-1)^{n-1}cosleft(pi nH_nright)tag3
$$
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$$
begin{align}
prod_{m=2}^{n-1}e^{frac{pi in}m}
&=e^{pi in(H_{n-1}-1)}\
&=(-1)^ne^{pi inH_{n-1}}\[9pt]
&=(-1)^{n-1}e^{pi inH_n}tag1
end{align}
$$
where $H_n$ is the $n^text{th}$ Harmonic Number.
$$
H_nsimlog(n)+gamma+frac1{2n}-frac1{12n^2}+frac1{120n^4}-frac1{252n^6}+frac1{240n^8}-frac1{132n^{10}}tag2
$$
and $gamma$ is the Euler-Mascheroni constant.
The real portion of $(1)$ is
$$
operatorname{Re}left(prod_{m=2}^{n-1}e^{frac{pi in}m}right)=(-1)^{n-1}cosleft(pi nH_nright)tag3
$$
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$$begin{align}
f(n)=&prod_{m=2}^{n-1}expfrac{ipi n}{m}\
&=expleft[sum_{m=2}^{n-1}frac{ipi n}{m}right]\
&=expleft[ipi nsum_{m=2}^{n-1}frac{1}{m}right]\
end{align}$$
Recalling the definition of the harmonic numbers:
$$H_n=sum_{m=1}^nfrac1m$$
We have that
$$f(n)=expleft[ipi n(H_{n-1}-1)right]$$
Then using $e^{itheta}=costheta+isintheta$,
$$f(n)=cosleft[pi n(H_{n-1}-1)right]+isinleft[pi n(H_{n-1}-1)right]$$
So
$$text{Re}f(n)=cosleft[pi n(H_{n-1}-1)right]$$
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Why is $expleft[ipi n(H_{n-1}-1)right]=exp(ipi n)exp(H_{n-1}-1)$?
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– greelious
1 hour ago
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@greelious because I messed up... Thanks! :)
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– clathratus
1 hour ago
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I think it is still not correct: $expleft[ipi n(H_{n-1}-1)right]=exp(i pi n H_{n-1})exp(-i pi n)=exp(i pi n H_{n-1})(-1)^n$
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– greelious
1 hour ago
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@greelious okay look now
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– clathratus
1 hour ago
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Looks good now.
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– greelious
1 hour ago
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$$begin{align}
f(n)=&prod_{m=2}^{n-1}expfrac{ipi n}{m}\
&=expleft[sum_{m=2}^{n-1}frac{ipi n}{m}right]\
&=expleft[ipi nsum_{m=2}^{n-1}frac{1}{m}right]\
end{align}$$
Recalling the definition of the harmonic numbers:
$$H_n=sum_{m=1}^nfrac1m$$
We have that
$$f(n)=expleft[ipi n(H_{n-1}-1)right]$$
Then using $e^{itheta}=costheta+isintheta$,
$$f(n)=cosleft[pi n(H_{n-1}-1)right]+isinleft[pi n(H_{n-1}-1)right]$$
So
$$text{Re}f(n)=cosleft[pi n(H_{n-1}-1)right]$$
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Why is $expleft[ipi n(H_{n-1}-1)right]=exp(ipi n)exp(H_{n-1}-1)$?
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– greelious
1 hour ago
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@greelious because I messed up... Thanks! :)
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– clathratus
1 hour ago
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I think it is still not correct: $expleft[ipi n(H_{n-1}-1)right]=exp(i pi n H_{n-1})exp(-i pi n)=exp(i pi n H_{n-1})(-1)^n$
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– greelious
1 hour ago
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@greelious okay look now
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– clathratus
1 hour ago
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Looks good now.
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– greelious
1 hour ago
add a comment |
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$$begin{align}
f(n)=&prod_{m=2}^{n-1}expfrac{ipi n}{m}\
&=expleft[sum_{m=2}^{n-1}frac{ipi n}{m}right]\
&=expleft[ipi nsum_{m=2}^{n-1}frac{1}{m}right]\
end{align}$$
Recalling the definition of the harmonic numbers:
$$H_n=sum_{m=1}^nfrac1m$$
We have that
$$f(n)=expleft[ipi n(H_{n-1}-1)right]$$
Then using $e^{itheta}=costheta+isintheta$,
$$f(n)=cosleft[pi n(H_{n-1}-1)right]+isinleft[pi n(H_{n-1}-1)right]$$
So
$$text{Re}f(n)=cosleft[pi n(H_{n-1}-1)right]$$
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$$begin{align}
f(n)=&prod_{m=2}^{n-1}expfrac{ipi n}{m}\
&=expleft[sum_{m=2}^{n-1}frac{ipi n}{m}right]\
&=expleft[ipi nsum_{m=2}^{n-1}frac{1}{m}right]\
end{align}$$
Recalling the definition of the harmonic numbers:
$$H_n=sum_{m=1}^nfrac1m$$
We have that
$$f(n)=expleft[ipi n(H_{n-1}-1)right]$$
Then using $e^{itheta}=costheta+isintheta$,
$$f(n)=cosleft[pi n(H_{n-1}-1)right]+isinleft[pi n(H_{n-1}-1)right]$$
So
$$text{Re}f(n)=cosleft[pi n(H_{n-1}-1)right]$$
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Why is $expleft[ipi n(H_{n-1}-1)right]=exp(ipi n)exp(H_{n-1}-1)$?
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– greelious
1 hour ago
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@greelious because I messed up... Thanks! :)
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– clathratus
1 hour ago
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I think it is still not correct: $expleft[ipi n(H_{n-1}-1)right]=exp(i pi n H_{n-1})exp(-i pi n)=exp(i pi n H_{n-1})(-1)^n$
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– greelious
1 hour ago
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@greelious okay look now
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– clathratus
1 hour ago
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Looks good now.
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– greelious
1 hour ago
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Why is $expleft[ipi n(H_{n-1}-1)right]=exp(ipi n)exp(H_{n-1}-1)$?
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– greelious
1 hour ago
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@greelious because I messed up... Thanks! :)
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– clathratus
1 hour ago
$begingroup$
I think it is still not correct: $expleft[ipi n(H_{n-1}-1)right]=exp(i pi n H_{n-1})exp(-i pi n)=exp(i pi n H_{n-1})(-1)^n$
$endgroup$
– greelious
1 hour ago
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@greelious okay look now
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– clathratus
1 hour ago
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Looks good now.
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– greelious
1 hour ago
1
1
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Why is $expleft[ipi n(H_{n-1}-1)right]=exp(ipi n)exp(H_{n-1}-1)$?
$endgroup$
– greelious
1 hour ago
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Why is $expleft[ipi n(H_{n-1}-1)right]=exp(ipi n)exp(H_{n-1}-1)$?
$endgroup$
– greelious
1 hour ago
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@greelious because I messed up... Thanks! :)
$endgroup$
– clathratus
1 hour ago
$begingroup$
@greelious because I messed up... Thanks! :)
$endgroup$
– clathratus
1 hour ago
$begingroup$
I think it is still not correct: $expleft[ipi n(H_{n-1}-1)right]=exp(i pi n H_{n-1})exp(-i pi n)=exp(i pi n H_{n-1})(-1)^n$
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– greelious
1 hour ago
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I think it is still not correct: $expleft[ipi n(H_{n-1}-1)right]=exp(i pi n H_{n-1})exp(-i pi n)=exp(i pi n H_{n-1})(-1)^n$
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– greelious
1 hour ago
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@greelious okay look now
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– clathratus
1 hour ago
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@greelious okay look now
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– clathratus
1 hour ago
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Looks good now.
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– greelious
1 hour ago
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Looks good now.
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– greelious
1 hour ago
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Please give more context. Providing context not only assures that this is not simply copied from a homework assignment, but also allows answers to be better directed at where the problem lies and to be within the proper scope. Please avoid "I have no clue" questions. Defining keywords and trying a simpler, similar problem often helps.
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– robjohn♦
1 hour ago
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Hi, I guess the context is I was trying to work a little more on this, math.stackexchange.com/questions/1689831/…. I'm not in school and this is not homework, I am just a computer scientist who likes to dabble in some of my free time. I was trying to work towards a closed form of the equation linked and so I was breaking it into parts and this is where I got stuck. Its something I look at every few months so even a nudge in any direction would be helpful.
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– cytinus
1 hour ago
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Hint: $prodlimits_{m=2}^{n-1}e^{a_m}=e^{sumlimits_{m=2}^{n-1}a_m}$
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1 hour ago
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It would be helpful to add that context to the question itself, rather than in a comment. I have undeleted my answer.
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